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[ish]

Blue_Fever, on 14 May 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

Yea. I was reading that and was about to go back and quote. Thankfully someone pointed it out.

Piazon is talented. And I'm wondering if the people who are doubting him have even watched him for more than 1 game.

yes, and many have seen him being upstaged by quite a few players he plays with. in the fa youth cup for instance he wasnt nearly as prominent as kane, swift, baker, davey or feruz. partly because he is being played wide left when he isn't really a wide player, yes he does have an interesting set of abilities and those abilities could really carry over to the first team but he is missing an urgency. reminds me alot of j.sala in all fairness. similar playing style, piazon is probably faster and plays as a striker but that calmness and running into space to recieve a ball is there. his appreciation of where to run and when means he is difficult to mark zonally and his willingness to pass and play means man marking is hard too so piazon is ahead of the curve already in terms of high level play but he is missing tenacity and a self confidence you sometimes see in strikers. still very interesting.
if piazon is a circular type footballer in that his area of coverage is quite broad in terms of direction but narrow in terms distance deviated from said position(midfielder playing in attack, think mess or rooney but much much less direct), while markovic has a more winger type action in that he sticks to a narrow section of the pitch down one flank but is willing to use more of it(c.ron or nani)

[Bison]

Piazon is good but I can't help but think the club are promoting him a lot. The club seems so desperate to put him on a pedestal and it's probably because of his fee and wages. He isn't an outstanding young player, just a decent one to be honest. I think Feruz is much better personally.

[Sciatika]

One thing that amazes me in football is that we can watch the same game(s) and all see different things. I watched all the games in the Youth Cup (though only on TV never live) and a number of reserves games as well and I'd say that, certainly in the youth cup, Piazon was the standout player on the competition though the likes of Chalobah, Kane and Feruz deserve honourable mentions. Davey had some good games. Swift is one of my favourites, but I was a bit disappointed with him this season. I had high hopes that he would really progress towards SFL MkII. Maybe it was my expectation. Maybe it's best he becomes the best he can be rather than trying to be someone else.

Anyway, what I liked about Piazon was not just his skills on and off the ball, the way he always has time and space to receive and play the ball (it's almost Ballack-like sometimes), the he seems to glide about the pitch, the way he sees the through ball so early but also his commitment to the cause. He was always moving, pressing all over the pitch, tracking back, winning back the ball and driving forward from deep. In fact, he was doing stuff I don't normally associate with young Brazilian players (which probably says more about me than them). He is an outstanding young player, in my opinion, It's just that he still has a lot to learn. Fortunately, he has plenty of time.

[zenyatta20]

Bison, on 15 May 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

Piazon is good but I can't help but think the club are promoting him a lot. The club seems so desperate to put him on a pedestal and it's probably because of his fee and wages. He isn't an outstanding young player, just a decent one to be honest. I think Feruz is much better personally.

+1 those of us that share the same sentiment as you have been labelled as ignoramus that has only seen him in action once and lack the ability to recognize talent. people need to take off their blinkers and desperation for Piazon to become the "next kaka" and realise that this kid is massively overrated. ., . . that ofcourse doesn't mean he isn't talented just that there are players in the youth/reserves who are more talented and don't get even a quarter of the publicity and hype the Brazilian receives.


I bet Todd kane, nathan ake, feruz and chalobah wish they are Brazilian and resemble kaka. perhaps that's what has held them back from getting the same level of hype.

Edited by zenyatta20, 15 May 2012 - 09:06 AM.

[nateevs]

I browse this forum a lot but I do not see these peopl who overrate Piazon.
Where are these people that overrate him?

[Bridge Soldier]

Yeah, I've probably seen more criticism than praise of Piazon on here recently. From my standpoint, the naysayers appear to be more numerous than the enthusiasts on this forum.

The greatest hype has come from Jason Cundy on Chelsea TV, the fact that he won young player of the year and the claims of Juan Mata and David Luiz that he's "the future of Chelsea". But hey, what do they know?

[ish]

oh I see talent in piazon, and he has a very interesting set of skills for one so young, nearly an old players set of skills in the way he takes up positions and uses space intelligently. I dont see that forcefulness you need though, sometimes he just plays the game at a too timid tempo when maybe going for that final run would allow him a goal or assist. he doesnt play like a young striker or even a striker, maybe its the position he takes on that left isn't suited for him but in alot of ways he doesnt have that dynamism that a striker would have. feruz has it for instance but lacks everything that I just said I liked about piazon. I think piazon can be trained to be a very good link striker though, because that tenacity for goals can be worked on.

why has piazon hijacked the markovic thread?

[Mceech]

Piazon is overrated if you thought he was the next Kaka, but who thought that? I think he has lots of potential, the basic ingredients are there - good dribbling, speed, good touch, can use his left foot. The only surprise for me is his shooting, his shooting at Chelsea hasn't been good. I'm surprised because his shot was his main asset when I watched him play for Brazil, he scored a few long range power goals. Power and directness will come as he develops.

Edited by Mceech, 15 May 2012 - 12:02 PM.

[nateevs]

ish, on 15 May 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

oh I see talent in piazon, and he has a very interesting set of skills for one so young, nearly an old players set of skills in the way he takes up positions and uses space intelligently. I dont see that forcefulness you need though, sometimes he just plays the game at a too timid tempo when maybe going for that final run would allow him a goal or assist. he doesnt play like a young striker or even a striker, maybe its the position he takes on that left isn't suited for him but in alot of ways he doesnt have that dynamism that a striker would have. feruz has it for instance but lacks everything that I just said I liked about piazon. I think piazon can be trained to be a very good link striker though, because that tenacity for goals can be worked on.

why has piazon hijacked the markovic thread?

There's a difference between what he is and what you want him to be.
Not every player has to be forceful. I love the fact the Feruz has got the aggressive style in his play.
However, the silky nature of Piazon is admirable as well.

The most important thing is mastering what you know how to do and endeavour to be the best at it.

[Sleeping Dave]

@ish: good shout with the comparison with J Sala. Didn't see it until you mentioned it but I think you are spot on. Same intelligence and ability to read the game.

I've been critical of Piazon but people need to remember I still think he's our second best youngster after Chalobah. And they are both three to four years younger than many of the reserve players...

[LosNumerados]

Where are the people expecting Piazon to be Kaka?

Piazon is a talent to hope on, he can switch it up from a team game to an individual game, he adds goals, dribbling & intelligence to the youth team, you'd hope he goes from strength to strength in these next 4 years as he becomes a man, if he can pick up his shot power and become a long ranger it'd help his game.

[Sciatika]

LosNumerados, on 16 May 2012 - 07:36 AM, said:

Where are the people expecting Piazon to be Kaka?

This. Just because he physically looks a bit like Kaka and used to play for Sao Paolo doesn't mean he plays anything like him. We have been using him as a flanking striker more like the way we use FloMo (I.e. not as an out and out winger but someone who plays the diagonals). I wish people wouldn't label young players as the new XXX especially if its just on the basis of his haircut. It puts pressure on the player to be something he is not and stokes the expectations of the fans. Piazon is not "the new Kaka" just as Ambrosetti was not "the Italian Ryan Giggs".

[Alec_Cobas]

I'm amazed how the people are saying Piazon is overrated. He's only 18 and has been selected our Young Player of the Year, for God's sake. Give time to the kid!!

Edited by Alec_Cobas, 16 May 2012 - 09:23 AM.

[Juan Mata Dor]

A whole page talking about Piazon..... Come on.

[StevenJ]

seems most topics in the transfer forum are way off topic