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[pinoy]

chelsea fan forever, on 24 December 2011 - 10:21 AM, said:

With our current performances do you think he will be left to rott on the bench?

err yeah! we have got some good results this month (apart from Wigan) and the team is starting to play alot better. He is very young, we haven't given Josh or Lukaku a chance to play, plus he would need time to adapt so yeah there would be a chance of him spending more time on the bench.

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pinoy, on 24 December 2011 - 10:25 AM, said:

err yeah! we have got some good results this month (apart from Wigan) and the team is starting to play alot better. He is very young, we haven't given Josh or Lukaku a chance to play, plus he would need time to adapt so yeah there would be a chance of him spending more time on the bench.

We have had some good performances but look at our attack. Also attacking midfield.. Lampard is not performing well. I have always been of the thinking that great talent will get the chance to play. I think he would take 2 or 3 weeks then he would be a first 11 player for us. it happened after half a season for Ramires and it took no time for Mata. I think personally we are weak going forward at the moment and that can work in his advantage. Josh is very talented and we all can agree that but he is not yet ready. When I have seen lucas he looks different class. Not saying he's better than josh etc but he is furthur along in his development and has strength and pace which josh doesn't really have. Lukaku is a shock to me I expected him to be better than what he has been for us. It looks like he's never even seen a football before.

Edited by chelsea fan forever, 24 December 2011 - 10:31 AM.

[pinoy]

Bridgejunky, on 24 December 2011 - 10:23 AM, said:

I'm a big, big admirer of Ganso but Lucas is much the better of the two. I maintain that it's pure fantasy to imagine we might get Lucas but, if we did, there is no way in this universe that he would sit on our bench. It's far more likely that he'd suffer the opposite problem with AVB having to resist the temptation to over play him.

Really? if he is much better than Ganso he must be alot better than I think. The reason why I fear he would be stuck on the bench is purely because of his age not ability. Chelsea don't often give players of that age a chance to play first team football week in week out, so he would have to be an exceptional talent to be 19 years old and playing first team football for Chelsea. But according to you he is alot better than Ganso so he must be something special.

[Sciatika]

I am really confused. I don't watch SA footie 'because its hard enough to keep up with English and European. Youtube extracts and the wiki tell me nothing apart from him being a 19 year old attacking midfielder from Sao Paolo in Brazil and has done enough decent moves to put together a 5 minute video.

We have a post here comparing with Modric which seems odd given that Modric is not really an AM. So is he an AM or does he play a deeper midfield position?

LosNumerados has a lineup with him and Mata on the left, which seems an odd. Wouldn't Mata be better suited to a nr10 role or as a support striker?

If he is more likely to go to Real or Barce why is he likely to be left to rot on our bench if we bought him? I suppose it's good to know that the quality on our bench is better than the first team in the top Spanish clubs.

As I said - confused.

Edited by Sciatika, 24 December 2011 - 10:35 AM.

[pinoy]

chelsea fan forever, on 24 December 2011 - 10:29 AM, said:

We have had some good performances but look at our attack. Also attacking midfield.. Lampard is not performing well. I have always been of the thinking that great talent will get the chance to play. I think he would take 2 or 3 weeks then he would be a first 11 player for us. it happened after half a season for Ramires and it took no time for Mata. I think personally we are weak going forward at the moment and that can work in his advantage.

Personally I don't see much wrong with our attack we create alot of chances, only thing we lack is a front man (Drogba or Torres) to put the ball in the net consistently. Lampard still offers alot to the team, with goals and assists and he will continue to do so, and this kid is 19! never played in europe, has very little experience, I think it's impossible to know for sure how he would do in the PL and how good he can perform against much tougher opposition until he does. Your speaking as if he is the finished article already, he still have alot to learn and alot of hard work to put in if he wants to be a world class player. I highly doubt if we signed him it would take him 2/3 weeks to become a first team player.

He would need time to settle, learn the language, adapt to the style of English football and Chelsea's style of football, all that for a 19 year old is going to be very difficult. He would definitely need time to settle before setting the world alight.

[LosNumerados]

Sciatika, on 24 December 2011 - 10:33 AM, said:

I am really confused. I don't watch SA footie 'because its hard enough to keep up with English and European. Youtube extracts and the wiki tell me nothing apart from him being a 19 year old attacking midfielder from Sao Paolo in Brazil and has done enough decent moves to put together a 5 minute video.

We have a post here comparing with Modric which seems odd given that Modric is not really an AM. So is he an AM or does he play a deeper midfield position?

LosNumerados has a lineup with him and Mata on the left, which seems an odd. Wouldn't Mata be better suited to a nr10 role or as a support striker?

If he is more likely to go to Real or Barce why is he likely to be left to rot on our bench if we bought him? I suppose it's good to know that the quality on our bench is better than the first team in the top Spanish clubs.

As I said - confused.

Lucas Moura is very versatile across the attacking positions, he shot to prmoinence for me any way in tone of rhe youth Sud Americano's, which is like the Copa America for the different age ranks. For Sao Paulo he has literally been played in most of the different attacking positions, attacking midfield, right sided midfield, left sided midfield.

Lucas is very similar to Ramires in terms of his running with the ball in midfield with surging runs & speed to accelerate.
Anyone saying he would be on the bench for us, yet start for Barcelona and Real, he will be an asset o all of the teams, Barca like to keep possession so I don't think they would like his individuality especially not in the central positions.

At Porto Av-B played a 4-1-4-1, which is an attacking version of 4-3-3 where the two central midfielders were attacking midfielders.

So if you imagine..

Torres

Mata------------- Sturridge

Lampard Ramires

Mikel

Torres

Mata--Lampard--Ramires--Sturridge

Mikel

The pace we have with Ramires & Sturridge on the counterattack is concentrated down the right, if we had a super fast player on the right it'd give us more options

Having Lucas & Ramires in there would mean we won't be that great in possession as both are careless, but both great on the counter, they really could destroy teams.

Also, Lucas as a talent is very much an individual, it's not so much about his team play, he can picks up the ball and power through the centre, the pitches are more compact and it is smaller and every player, even the ones that come in straight away and set the league on fire, need time to settle.

His age coming in, with his sort of talent, he will be able to have an impact, a.s.a.p

He would probably start off playing games as one of the wide attackers if he were to come, I think naturally, we'd come to decided to play Lucas in the Lampard position to interchange with Mata.

Edited by LosNumerados, 24 December 2011 - 10:52 AM.

[pinoy]

Sciatika, on 24 December 2011 - 10:33 AM, said:

I am really confused. I don't watch SA footie 'because its hard enough to keep up with English and European. Youtube extracts and the wiki tell me nothing apart from him being a 19 year old attacking midfielder from Sao Paolo in Brazil and has done enough decent moves to put together a 5 minute video.

We have a post here comparing with Modric which seems odd given that Modric is not really an AM. So is he an AM or does he play a deeper midfield position?

LosNumerados has a lineup with him and Mata on the left, which seems an odd. Wouldn't Mata be better suited to a nr10 role or as a support striker?

If he is more likely to go to Real or Barce why is he likely to be left to rot on our bench if we bought him? I suppose it's good to know that the quality on our bench is better than the first team in the top Spanish clubs.

As I said - confused.

Do you really think if he signs for Barca or Real in one of the next two windows he would walk straight into their first teams? if you do then your mad! is he going to walk into the Madrid team ahead of Ozil, Di Maria, Kaka or Ronaldo? even Callejon would probably be ahead of him. and at Barca is he going to walk into their team and play ahead of Fabregas, Iniesta, Thiago, Sanchez, Villa, Pedro? even Cuenca would probably be ahead of him.

So it's nice to know a inexperienced unproven 19 year old is good enough to walk into our first team. Good times.

I think you are most definitely confused.

Edited by pinoy, 24 December 2011 - 10:55 AM.

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Sciatika, on 24 December 2011 - 10:33 AM, said:

I am really confused. I don't watch SA footie 'because its hard enough to keep up with English and European. Youtube extracts and the wiki tell me nothing apart from him being a 19 year old attacking midfielder from Sao Paolo in Brazil and has done enough decent moves to put together a 5 minute video.

We have a post here comparing with Modric which seems odd given that Modric is not really an AM. So is he an AM or does he play a deeper midfield position?

He is a proper Cam,though I have seen him shifted to the right/left mainly because of his speed but his best position is that of a centrally attacking player ala Kaka.Talent he has lots..but he needs to become more consistent and make better choices which again might come if he is played in his proper position more.Neymar is far more sorted in the understanding of his game but Lucas can be equally good if he manager to sort out his consistency problems.A move to Europe to play with better players,better facilities is definitely needed very soon.

And he is a direct dribbler playmaker ala kaka but I think superior to him in the dribbling aspect when the force is with him,has a very good shot and two good feet and very very fast.I don't know how he will do when he moves but if he does manage to add more consistency to his game then if he is here we will have an absolutely fantastic footballer on our hands.

[Sciatika]

Thanks (LosNumerados, pinoy and The Boas Constrictor) for that. I understand better now (though I still don't really have an opinion).

pinoy, on 24 December 2011 - 10:50 AM, said:

Do you really think if he signs for Barca or Real in one of the next two windows he would walk straight into their first teams? if you do then your mad!

Possibly. It's hard to say.

pinoy, on 24 December 2011 - 10:50 AM, said:

I think you are most definitely confused.

Certainly, but in mitigation, I did point it out first. :-)

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[LosNumerados]

That's what they said before, he's not considering leaving Brazil, which is why I ruled it out (never say never) in football, but, I believe he's gonna stick around at Sao Paulo

[Big-Lebowski]

Is there a sudden influx of money into Brazilian football or are these kids (Neymar, Ganso, Lucas) actually managed/advised by people that care about their development?

[SZB LOVES CHELSEA]

Oh no...did anyone see who his agent is? Sigh.

[Blue_In_Every_Way]

Ahhhh Wagner Ribiero. Yeah.. good luck signing this kid.

[LosNumerados]

Big-Lebowski, on 24 December 2011 - 11:24 PM, said:

Is there a sudden influx of money into Brazilian football or are these kids (Neymar, Ganso, Lucas) actually managed/advised by people that care about their development?

The economy is so much more powerful, Brazilian stars are wanting to return earlier & younger stars are wanting to stay for longer, I think what more people need to appreciate is that a lot of these players prefer Brazil to Europe, the beaches, the music, the food etc... The money was in Europe, the highest platform to compete is in Europe, without those two factors a move wouldn't be as attractive. Money is leveling out one of those factors, with the rise of Brazil as an emerging economic power.

In terms of career development, I do personally agree that earlier moves to Europe would be beneficial for the younger players, they have a lot of Brazilian experience & the earlier they move the earlier they could compliment that with the new features of the continental game, you're less malleable as a talent the older you become.
I personally think it'd be great for Neymar for instance to be at Barca or the Premier League. Barca have to re-train most of their foreign imports on how to do certain things the Barcelona way, not just younger players. I think Neymar with those Barca attributes, similar to Messi, would make sense & then the Premier League because of the different pace, smaller pitches etc...

It should add to the robustness of the player as a talent especially if they go to an elite club, where they train with the best.