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[Teddy Bruckshut]

southcoastal, on 08 February 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

Its not a want thing its a need thing

Last season Chelsea earned 44.5 million euros from the Champions league, that inclusive of Prize and TV money excluding gate receipts, So lets say our income from participation was around round about 50 million

With a turn over of around £220 million thats a fair chunk of our incomet o lose. add our losses and we would then be in no position to qualify for following seasons. European competitions. its that simple, So while AVB talks around winning the FA cup and Champions league the club needs 4th place.

What this does is highlight the stupidity of the Fair play rules, in order to meet the Fair play rules you have to qualify for the Champions league to get the income to meet the rules to qualify for the Champions league. circular madness. . .

You should read this it will help you get a better understanding of FFP

http://www.weaintgot...r-play-analysis

[southcoastal]

Thanks for the link maybe you missunderstood my post, I understand the Fair play rules but would contend the club still needs turnover and the income especialy from the Champions league before you take off the allowances from FFP

FFP rules shouldn't stop any club seeking normal business profitability .especially as the rules are somewhat vauge from 2017 onwards

[Russ]

Well whilst there's still straws I'll clutch them, but the more I think about it the more I feel it might well be better for us not to make the CL next season.

I'm aware of the financial implications and how serious the CL shortfall might be, but as far as I'm concerned the need for evaluation of club structure and squad is by far a bigger priority.

Should we somehow claw 4th this season it will, yet again re-paper cracks that we as fans are more than aware of yet the board / RA seem unable to address in a measured, structured approach.

The only circumstance in which I can envisage the board / RA taking stock of the clubs situation is failure to make 4th.

Taking stock The CFC way could mean anything, but I sincerely hope failure in the league would give RA cause to question certain people's roles and the structure of the squad. Look at himself, his role and his involvement.

An optimistic thought obviously, but I just can't see it happening any other way and as it really needs to happen I find myself welcoming any introspection 5th and below might bring.

[chelsea_matt]

Russ, on 25 March 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

Well whilst there's still straws I'll clutch them, but the more I think about it the more I feel it might well be better for us not to make the CL next season.

I'm aware of the financial implications and how serious the CL shortfall might be, but as far as I'm concerned the need for evaluation of club structure and squad is by far a bigger priority.

Should we somehow claw 4th this season it will, yet again re-paper cracks that we as fans are more than aware of yet the board / RA seem unable to address in a measured, structured approach.

The only circumstance in which I can envisage the board / RA taking stock of the clubs situation is failure to make 4th.

Taking stock The CFC way could mean anything, but I sincerely hope failure in the league would give RA cause to question certain people's roles and the structure of the squad. Look at himself, his role and his involvement.

An optimistic thought obviously, but I just can't see it happening any other way and as it really needs to happen I find myself welcoming any introspection 5th and below might bring.

Couldn't have put it better myself, this is exactly what I think. :)

[Bob Singleton]

Russ, on 25 March 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

Well whilst there's still straws I'll clutch them, but the more I think about it the more I feel it might well be better for us not to make the CL next season.

I'm aware of the financial implications and how serious the CL shortfall might be, but as far as I'm concerned the need for evaluation of club structure and squad is by far a bigger priority.

Should we somehow claw 4th this season it will, yet again re-paper cracks that we as fans are more than aware of yet the board / RA seem unable to address in a measured, structured approach.

The only circumstance in which I can envisage the board / RA taking stock of the clubs situation is failure to make 4th.

Taking stock The CFC way could mean anything, but I sincerely hope failure in the league would give RA cause to question certain people's roles and the structure of the squad. Look at himself, his role and his involvement.

An optimistic thought obviously, but I just can't see it happening any other way and as it really needs to happen I find myself welcoming any introspection 5th and below might bring.

Spot on.

Many of us at the end of the 2009/10 season posted that doing the Double, whilst great, was also just papering over the cracks and much needed to be sorted out. Maybe if we fail to qualify for the Champions League will actually see some action at last.

AvB did do at least one thing that needed addressing and that was wholesale changes to the medical staff. I think we need wholesale changes elsewhere, and I'm not just talking about the playing squad.

I have long been concerned regarding the quality of the coaching staff. We seem to have great youth players, based on competitions won, yet none are capable of making the transition to a higher level. Obviously not every youth player will make the grade, but the last players to work their way into the first team from the youth system are John Terry and Carlton Cole. Maybe Josh will eventually make it (he certainly seems capable). OK so some good youth/reserve players never made it because previous managers were too scared to use them, and so were sold off, but we're seeing a very poor return for our youth investment. I believe the coaching has a part to play in this, not just managers too worried about losing their job to use them regularly.

I'm also concerned at the way the club is run at the top. RA owns the club, so obviously he will run it as he sees fit, but given he was never greatly interested in football until a year or so before he bought us (according to media reports, anyway) and few people on the board have a history of involvement in football prior to CFC, I do wonder just where the hell he gets his footballing advice from?

If anything I hope a year away from the CL will jolt RA into a radical overhaul of the way the club is run as well as changes on the field. I also hope that the Europa League is also used as a way of blooding youngsters in European football

On the other hand, it could all be wishful thinking on my part and nothing much will change (except managers on a regular basis)

[dgibbo1986]

Bob Singleton, on 26 March 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

I'm also concerned at the way the club is run at the top. RA owns the club, so obviously he will run it as he sees fit, but given he was never greatly interested in football until a year or so before he bought us (according to media reports, anyway) and few people on the board have a history of involvement in football prior to CFC, I do wonder just where the hell he gets his footballing advice from?

This has been my biggest concern. In my view someone or a group of people have his ear. Who are they and what qualifies them to be giving advice on how to run a football club? Considering the disregard fans were given over the CPO buy-back, some of his public 'representatives' have no idea how to treat the fans and run the club.

I think the non-renewal of Ray Wilkins' contract could be a good example - Ron Gourlay giving a "look at me, I'll cut the wage bill by saving you £200k a year Mr Roman" moment - without considering the knock-on effect it could have on the team's morale. Had we not had that dip that conveniently followed, would we have spent £50m on Torres? I very much doubt it. Money well saved Ron!

By spending his money the way he has over the past two seasons does, however, give an indication of how much bite Roman believes the FFP rules will have (obviously nothing in the Europe could be fair whilst the two Spainsh gaints take most of the Spanish TV money whilst in the PL the money is equally divided - which is obviously an advantage).

[chiswickblue]

Do we know that Gourlay sacked Wilkins?

[dgibbo1986]

chiswickblue, on 27 March 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

Do we know that Gourlay sacked Wilkins?

My understanding was that his contract was not renewed, which is not quite being sacked.

[Sleeping Dave]

dgibbo1986, on 28 March 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

My understanding was that his contract was not renewed, which is not quite being sacked.

That was the official explanation.

He did come mid-season as well under Hiddink didn't he? So makes sense.

[The Postman]

I know who has romans ear.....Bobby campbell...our old manager....really,what the **** is he doing there?

[bluecueball]

The more I think about it, the more I think that missing out the CL isn't the end of the world. Look at Juve - they were relegated to Serie B a few years back and were stripped of two titles.

They're now top of Serie A and could win it this year.

We'd need to keep hold of key players - and we would - but I don't see a massive problem except for the reduction in revenue, but if we went all the way in the Europa league, we'd still do alright for money.