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Be careful before you post without thinking about it. There are people on this site who know Cliff (Yeading), so please keep your specious comments to yourself. If you can help, contact details are linked below.

This isn't a wind-up, I've seen discussions about this elsewhere, and the message below is from Cliff's son.

CFC UK: Chelsea v QPR – Police Brutality?

This story is for everyone who knows my Dad Cliff, known also as ‘Rubsy’. As some of you might know, there was trouble after Chelsea’s match against QPR last Saturday. Myself, my father Cliff, my younger brother John and my two friends were walking along the North End Rd in Fulham near The Goose pub.

There seemed to be something happening in the pub as there were many policemen outside stopping people entering or leaving. Unfortunately, my two friends were caught up in the confusion and pushed inside the pub while the other three of us were outside.

I told a policeman that we were waiting for our two friends to be let out and he said that although we couldn’t enter the pub, we could wait where we were for them.

Suddenly, a police dog unit arrived and the police started to get heavy handed and started pushing people near the scene including my Dad who fell onto my younger 13-year-old brother. The police drew their batons and we began to walk away.

Suddenly, I felt a sharp pain in my leg and as I turned around, a police dog was biting my leg. At this point, I was scared and tried to get the dog off of me but its jaws were locked. Eventually, it let go but my Dad kicked the dog to help me escape from it.

Then, three (I think) policeman leapt on me and four jumped on my Dad while another friend managed to get my younger brother away but I was on the floor. I felt a police baton, fists and boots kicking me and I could hear cries of pain from my Father.

He has since told me that he was handcuffed, punched and one of the police officers stood on him before arresting us both. Now my Dad is in hospital with three broken ribs and a punctured lung and I have black eye, swollen lips and a cut face from where I was punched.

I was cautioned for using foul and abusive language and breaching the peace while my Father has been charged with criminal damage to a police dog. We both feel that we were not guilty of what we have been charged with and I am asking for any witnesses to contact us in they feel they can help us mount a case against the police.

I hope this redresses the charges that have been pressed against my Father and myself with both of us claiming our innocence. Meanwhile, I look forward to my Father being released from hospital on Wednesday

If you can help, please contact us here and we will pass your details to Cliff and James.

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Sorry,can't help you I'm afraid. But I hope that with the amount of CCTV that is out streets today,some light might be shed on this awful situation you find yourselves in.

Good Luck.

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That's bang out of order. It's fools like that who shouldn't have a police uniform on in the first place, and only serve to get decent coppers who do their jobs properly a bad name. I hope these chaps can get something done about it.

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I thought our police was dumb in these situations. Damn. Sucks. You can appeal against, right? CCTV. Ask for footage to be shown. Demand.

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I posted in the matchday forum and mentioned the odd police behaviour that day. Travelling from North Kensington I saw a lot of QPR fans on the way. At Notting Hill Gate there was a large train of QPR fans being escorted by the police and the tube station was shut down and barred to all but QPR fans for long enough for me to turn around and head for a bus instead. Apparently they got their very own private district line train to the stadium. I can understand that for long distance trains but could not understand why QPR fans were herded together into a small army instead of dispersed. Moreso I felt that QPR fans were given preferential treatment over Chelsea fans and even worse the poor general public.

At Brompton cemetary we were barred from exiting into an otherwise empty Fulham Road along with other QPR fans for sometime so that the police could gather bunches to march into the Bovril Gate.

Maybe I was just unlucky with timing or it was the fact that I live so close to them. Maybe its because QPR seem to hate us when we have little feelings towards them either way (which must wind them up further). But I've not experienced this kind of atmosphere outside the stadium for a long time even compared to visits from ManUre and Liverpool. I don't really know how QPR away fans behave these days. So I suspect that overall the management of the police was different than usual last Saturday. Unless there was an underlying problem that needed extra control I felt that it only created tension.

My friend who also attended in a different corner of the MH Upper also ran into the Notting Hill Gate situation from the Central Line end and noticed that QPR did indeed get an empty train just for them. He also remarked that it seemed that the away fans were released from the stadium quicker than is usual. I presume that means away fans are asked to wait for the bulk of home fans to leave the area usually?

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I'm very sorry to hear whats happened to you and your old man and I hope you get well soon and that CCTV or other fans help your case.

Not that I wish to add anything to this, but ti all went off outside the Sobar after the game. I stood watching it whilst waiting to get tinto the pub, which had been helpfully closed. There appeared to be lot of scuffels, bottle and coin throwing. I can't say however that it was all QPR. There seemed to be about 50 chelsea in the Sobar determined to open the door and get outside to join the 100 of so chelsea fans already there.

Prior to the game I got to the Sobar at about 11.20 and the bar manager Nick was chatting with two coppers, I think they were seeing if he heard of any potential trouble. He said he had, which is why they were checking all tickets at the door. One of my mates lives bout 10 mins from Fulham Broadway and he said that when he got off the train at about 11 there were a big group of chelsea and QPR fans haveing a slanging match and generally getting quite agy with one another.

I'm not suprised there was trouble, if someone annoyed that it meant I couldn't get a drink....and all made worse when you hear the coppers end up getting the wrong people.

There was trouble after the recent West Ham and Liverpool games and I'm not supirsed that the Spuds game has been re-arranged from a monday night to saturday afternoon game.........

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How do I make a complaint against the police?

If you think a police officer or member of police staff has behaved incorrectly or unfairly, you have the right to make a complaint.

Unless there are exceptional circumstances, you should make your complaint within 12 months of the alleged incident.

If you decide to make a complaint you can:

Contact the Directorate of Professional Standards Reception Desk Monday to Friday 0800 - 1800 on 020 8785 8666 (a 24 hour answering machine is available outside these hours) or via email at [email protected];

Write to the Chief Superintendent at the police station for the area concerned;

Go into any police station where you will be seen by a senior officer on duty, probably an inspector or sergeant;

Visit your local Citizens Advice Bureau, who can advise you whether you have grounds for a complaint;

Contact your solicitor or Member of Parliament;

Ask someone else to put forward your complaint (eg, friend or neighbours, as long as they have a letter from you authorising them to do so);

Write a full account to the: Metropolitan Police Service, Directorate of Professional Standards, Reception Desk, Jubilee House, 230-232 Putney Bridge Road, London, SW15 2PD; or

Write directly to: The Independent Police Complaints Commission, 90 High Holborn, London, WC1V 6XX or call them on 08453 002002.

More information is available on the Independent Police Complaints Commission website.

hope this helps

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fatbloke   

I usually use The Goose pub but didn't bother on Saturday because there were rumours of trouble. Instead I opted for the Elm further up the North End Road. Both The Elm, The Old Oak and The Seven Stars opposite had an inordinate amount of large, shaven headed, rough looking chaps, wearing designer clothing and talking into mobiles.

Every pub in this area had it's own police van parked outside. Seems that the police are well aware of where and when trouble may occur and possibly that is why QPR had the luxury of their own train and a brief stop in Brompton Cemetery.

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For anybody who saw ANYTHING of the incident involving Cliff and James, can I please implore them to get in touch and help. I know that sometimes people can be naive in situations such as these, and there is sometimes a belief that the police don't behave like that without provocation. Well, I know both Cliff and James and they are genuinely good, decent people. Cliff is a family man, he always has his children with him at games. Furthermore, he is an active participant within certain supporters' groups and forums, and is popular not only with fellow supporters, but also with certain insiders at Chelsea.

Cliff has been a home and away season-ticket holder for many, many years. He is Chelsea through-and-through. If the police are allowed to make this stick, he stands to lose a lot of the things he holds dearest to him. Don't forget, he has (I suppose I will have to write 'allegedly' at this point, although I KNOW he is telling the truth) been assaulted in front of his own children. It is a total disgrace. If anybody can do anything to help, please don't hesitate.

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By all accounts there was loads of trouble before and after the game. I can't understand how the FA have stamped this out at a premier league level, but it's still rfie in the lowere leagues. Did hear about the Leeds/Millwall meeting earlier in the season?

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