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Good win for the team, awful for Timo and Lukaku. This win and the goals scored spoke volumes about their respective individual performances so far. I stated both their injuries was a blessing in disguise. I haven’t changed my mind. 

The goal Hudson-Odoi scored Timo would never have managed. 

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On 22/10/2021 at 10:19 PM, boratsbrother said:

I didn't see the game on Wednesday (I dont watch CL group games or International friendlies and qualification games anymore) but I see Mount had another poor game. He's been really poor so far this season and imho he looks mentally and physically burnt out and badly in need of a few weeks away from all football.  Like to see Barkley given a run in the team, starting against  Norwich. 

This aged well

On 23/10/2021 at 9:21 AM, Michael Tucker said:

 

I'm arguably in the minority I know, but I simply think that he's overrated. And greedy. 

Genuinely astonishing. Never dropped by Lampard or Tuchel.... And Southgate for that matter.

Still only 22.

An incredible, incredible player. Way ahead of Lampard at the equivalent age,  as a sort of benchmark, although different type of player.

22 hours ago, boratsbrother said:

If I had to pick 3 players who were holding us back from seriously competing for the title, it would be those two + Lukaku. We haven't been anywhere near a title challenge since Jorgi & Kova arrived and I highly doubt we will again until they are moved on. 

Jorginho and Kova holding us back and Mount is overrated.....

Wow. Gets worse and worse.

21 hours ago, Holymoly said:

I wish Jorginho and Kovacic would shoot from the edge of the box occasionally rather than always trying to find a pass for someone else to take the responsibility. They need a talking to by Rudiger.

You've done well to find a negative from two players bang in form who got 3 assists between them

20 hours ago, NoblyBobly said:

When was the last time 4 English players scored 5 goals in for us in a game?

Has to be the 70s 

Edit: own goal so 4 goals!

6 goals scored by English players..... I don't think that has happened in my time watching, which is from 1991

20 hours ago, Blue Rod said:

Every time he plays, even in his worst day, CHO has looked better than Werner. Every time I hear from TT how CHO must prove himself, I look at Werner and Havertz, and my first reaction, is oh please.

CHO has flattered to deceive. Hopefully yesterday was a turning point.

I must have imagined our champions league win.

19 hours ago, Diddymen said:

Anyone know why Kanté wasn’t in the squad?

Tight muscle. Could have played if the game was today apparently. Wouldn't have him near the squad on Wednesday

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Cannot understand how some posters are comparing the performance of 2 young CB with 7 PL appearances against 2 senior CB with over 200 PL appearances. 

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Difficult to know where to start with some of the comments so easier to not bother. 

Norwich, bless them, are not a PL team. Even so, gratifying to see us properly fill our boots against weak opposition, feels like it's been a while.

Chilwell playing a free role from LB is consistently entertaining, probably my favourite thing about this season so far.

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39 minutes ago, paulw66 said:

Tight muscle. Could have played if the game was today apparently. Wouldn't have him near the squad on Wednesday

I can't help thinking he is overtraining.  He just loves to run.  He might be better off playing this Southampton team than being left alone to run in Cobham.

nice full post btw

 

39 minutes ago, paulw66 said:

Genuinely astonishing. Never dropped by Lampard or Tuchel.... And Southgate for that matter.

Still only 22.

An incredible, incredible player. Way ahead of Lampard at the equivalent age,  as a sort of benchmark, although different type of player.

The  Lampard comparison I am always wary off.  £11m was a huge bid for Ken Bates back in 2001, and he was a player who was determined to quit WHU at the time because he Dad and Uncle had just been sacked as coach and manager.  England caps were a lot harder to collect in those days (and Gerrard).  There wasn't a magic one-off improvement a few years into his Chelsea career .He started 34 PL games in still a strong Chelsea team in his first year.  There was a continued improvement every year from 18 till about 32.  A tribute to his training regime.

But yes Mount at almost 23, about the same age as Lampard when he joined us, is a little bit ahead of Lampard.  He'll have a hell of a time maintaining that age equivalent lead over the next 5 years, but if even if he stays still he'll be great for any team
He plays at AM because he has this incredible set of techniques for receiving the ball from behind and turning past his marker and moving forward.  Opponents know he is going to do it, they just don't know which technique he is going to use next.  I don't see him as a specialist AM though, just one able to pick up any specific footie skills quickly though determined training.   He is going to be a wonderful replacement for Jorginho one day.

14 minutes ago, FREEBOOT-RIGHTZ said:

Cannot understand how some posters are comparing the performance of 2 young CB with 7 PL appearances against 2 senior CB with over 200 PL appearances. 

That is a fair point.  I think the issue is not that Sarr and Chalobah did badly against Brentford - certainly I pointed out it was worrying they had so many chances when the CBs barely made a mistake.  Just that Rudiger and Silva do thinks that most CBs can never do (like Zouma for example or Norwich's motm, Hanley).  Chalobah started to gain confidence on the ball in this game, which TT has probably been working on.

They'll get another chance against Southampton I guess.  This seems to have been the A team, with mid-week saved for the B team.

Just now, thevelourfog said:

Difficult to know where to start with some of the comments so easier to not bother. 

Norwich, bless them, are not a PL team. Even so, gratifying to see us properly fill our boots against weak opposition, feels like it's been a while.

Chilwell playing a free role from LB is consistently entertaining, probably my favourite thing about this season so far.

Many of the comments being quoted were pre-match.  Perhaps because it was such a satisfying game, perhaps because of site access issues, we are still on p13.

I don't think Norwich are that bad, and they hadn't conceded in 2 games and after some tough opponents only Man city had scored more than 3 against them.  Before this game Watford had conceded just 1 goal less and Newcastle the same.  Lets hope we stick as many past Newcastle and they go down too.

Chilwell - as entertaining as Alonso.  We should try one of them on the right!


Btw - there was a slight technical tweak.  The WBs playing inside the AMs has been going on so long this season that even Glen Hoddle noticed mid-week.  We largely dropped it today or at least it was no longer a constant.

Edited by Droy was my hero

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1 hour ago, Sleeping Dave said:

Good win for the team, awful for Timo and Lukaku. This win and the goals scored spoke volumes about their respective individual performances so far. I stated both their injuries was a blessing in disguise. I haven’t changed my mind. 

The goal Hudson-Odoi scored Timo would never have managed. 

Have to take into account just how dire Norwich were,  but we do look better without a100 million pound statue standing their pointing his finger to where he wants the ball. 

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30 minutes ago, FREEBOOT-RIGHTZ said:

Cannot understand how some posters are comparing the performance of 2 young CB with 7 PL appearances against 2 senior CB with over 200 PL appearances. 

Chalobah has come from nowhere and done extremely well for someone with no Premier League experience. At the very least, he already looks good enough for a regular spot in the team or on the bench. So good to see 5 home grown players on the pitch yesterday.   

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18 hours ago, Bob Singleton said:


The rules have changed since last year, though. There were so many decisions where - seemingly - having hairier legs than your opponent would see you off-side, that they decided to use thicker lines on VAR to give the benefit to the attacker and to cut the time taken over getting the decision.

No point comparing last season's decisions with this season's.

Well the rule changes this year which encourages referees to allow more fouls to go unpunished in order to let the game flow, did not benefit ironically Werner this season when his goal against Southampton was chalked off due to the softest of contacts that occurred 3 phases prior to his goal. 

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Some are getting a bit carried away with this result against a terrible team that know their fate already. To say we are better off without Lukaku while he still remains our top scorer doesn’t make much sense to me. People are far too quick to forget his performances earlier in the season against much better opposition. He would have scored for fun yesterday. Look at our performances last season against mid table opposition, people kept saying we need a no.9 to make a difference. We finally buy one who has been making a difference and now we look better without him?  You just can’t please some people. 

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1 hour ago, boratsbrother said:

Chalobah has come from nowhere and done extremely well for someone with no Premier League experience. At the very least, he already looks good enough for a regular spot in the team or on the bench. So good to see 5 home grown players on the pitch yesterday.   

5/11 English players in the starting XI and then 6/11 English players at the end of the game, 7/14 playing in the game overall. 5 of them, as you nicely point out, our academy graduates.

One of the classic arguments and criticisms that were made against us by rivals and the wider football discourse, not just after Roman bought us but even in the Zola era pre-Roman, that we don't have enough players from our academy and not enough English players, well and truly put to bed now.

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