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paulw66   
14 hours ago, boratsbrother said:

They finished above us only last season, so it's silly to say that 

 

That's a small part of the equation. Yes, they finished above us, due largely to the disastrous first 19 games we had.

More importantly, look at the age profile (and quality) of our squad compared to theirs: Chalobah, James, Christensen, Kovacic, RLC, Chilwell, CHO, Havertz, Mount, Pulisic, Werner......then throw in Gallagher to the mix as well. The oldest player there is Kovacic at 27, the rest are 25 and under

Jorginho, Rudiger, Lukaku wont need replacing for a few seasons (subject to contract extension for AR)

It's only Azpi, Thiago and possibly Kante (injuries pending) who are at the wrong age and Kante's spot could go to Gallagher (cost nothing)

14 hours ago, boratsbrother said:

. They've got a good squad and they could improve as much as we have if they get the right coach.

 

Ronaldo and Cavani wont last much longer. Central midfield needs a complete re-think, and the defenders themselves, whilst not old, just aren't that good. 

Who would you buy, given the chance, from their squad? The only players you'd look at would be Rashford, Bruno, possibly Sancho and Greenwood. The rest are too old, or too poor. 

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Ham   
1 minute ago, paulw66 said:

That's a small part of the equation. Yes, they finished above us, due largely to the disastrous first 19 games we had.

 

Plus the fact that we were somewhat distracted by getting to the FA Cup final and winning the CL. 

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paulw66   
28 minutes ago, Ham said:

Plus the fact that we were somewhat distracted by getting to the FA Cup final and winning the CL. 

another very good point! 

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Holymoly   
17 hours ago, asvaberg said:

Yes, it's excellent news. It won't work :)

I think the thing is that on paper it's not nuts. As I understand it TT was a devotee of his methodology for example.

However.

This game aside, as we're playing against Ole-lite in Carrick and the seven dwarves whatever happens and we MUST win, the appointment of Rangnick has the potential of providing a huge upheaval at OT which could go one of two ways. His style of playing effectively freezes Ronaldo out of the side, and we'll wait to see how that goes. It also will find the rest of the squad wanting in terms of fitness and desire. The result could be the continuation of a fundemental implosion at the self-styled biggest club in the world. The opposite could happen however. Manure needs a huge kick up the backside as there are too many self entitled egomaniacs at the club and the removal of them will only be good for the club. Whatever happens it can only be good for the rest of the league, as in order to succeed he will have to re-invent the wheel which will take time. If he is replaced by MoPo next season and they have to restart all over again, result for us. If his contract is extended it will be amusing to see how the squad is left once he eventually does move on in the same way that he effectively neutered Lokomotiv in his short time there.

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Diddymen   
24 minutes ago, Holymoly said:

Manure needs a huge kick up the backside as there are too many self entitled egomaniacs at the club and the removal of them will only be good for the club.

If they wanted a huge kick up they would have signed Conte. 

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paulw66   
29 minutes ago, Diddymen said:

If they wanted a huge kick up they would have signed Conte. 

so glad Conte has walked into a mess of a club, rather than going to United (still messy, but more of a danger)

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2 hours ago, paulw66 said:

More importantly, look at the age profile (and quality) of our squad compared to theirs: Chalobah, James, Christensen, Kovacic, RLC, Chilwell, CHO, Havertz, Mount, Pulisic, Werner......then throw in Gallagher to the mix as well. The oldest player there is Kovacic at 27, the rest are 25 and under

This.  United are full of players well past making a contribution and players still not there.
We only have CHO and RLC with more to do, and Saul, Barkley and Sarr who are not capable of big performances.
 

2 hours ago, Ham said:

Plus the fact that we were somewhat distracted by getting to the FA Cup final and winning the CL. 

:)  I know I was very distracted.

1 hour ago, Holymoly said:

The appointment of Rangnick has the potential of providing a huge upheaval at OT which could go one of two ways. His style of playing effectively freezes Ronaldo out of the side, and we'll wait to see how that goes. It also will find the rest of the squad wanting in terms of fitness and desire. The result could be the continuation of a fundemental implosion at the self-styled biggest club in the world.

Indeed
 

1 hour ago, Holymoly said:

If his contract is extended it will be amusing to see how the squad is left once he eventually does move on in the same way that he effectively neutered Lokomotiv in his short time there.

There is no shortage of players that need to be shifted there.  Much like us post Conte.  In development terms it is many years.

 

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2 hours ago, paulw66 said:

That's a small part of the equation. Yes, they finished above us, due largely to the disastrous first 19 games we had.

More importantly, look at the age profile (and quality) of our squad compared to theirs: Chalobah, James, Christensen, Kovacic, RLC, Chilwell, CHO, Havertz, Mount, Pulisic, Werner......then throw in Gallagher to the mix as well. The oldest player there is Kovacic at 27, the rest are 25 and under

Jorginho, Rudiger, Lukaku wont need replacing for a few seasons (subject to contract extension for AR)

It's only Azpi, Thiago and possibly Kante (injuries pending) who are at the wrong age and Kante's spot could go to Gallagher (cost nothing)

Ronaldo and Cavani wont last much longer. Central midfield needs a complete re-think, and the defenders themselves, whilst not old, just aren't that good. 

Who would you buy, given the chance, from their squad? The only players you'd look at would be Rashford, Bruno, possibly Sancho and Greenwood. The rest are too old, or too poor. 

I think people are severely underestimating United and the squad. 

It has not even been a season since Rudi and alonso were frozen out of the team with the former being linked to arsenal. As of this moment, Rudi is one of the mainstays in the team and one of the best CBs in the world. 

We looked bang average less than an year ago and the same squad looks good enough to do a quadruple this season. 

Most of us had United in the title race after getting 2 world class players and a potential super star in Sancho. Most of us would have killed for a similar transfer window. 

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2 hours ago, paulw66 said:

That's a small part of the equation. Yes, they finished above us, due largely to the disastrous first 19 games we had.

More importantly, look at the age profile (and quality) of our squad compared to theirs: Chalobah, James, Christensen, Kovacic, RLC, Chilwell, CHO, Havertz, Mount, Pulisic, Werner......then throw in Gallagher to the mix as well. The oldest player there is Kovacic at 27, the rest are 25 and under

Jorginho, Rudiger, Lukaku wont need replacing for a few seasons (subject to contract extension for AR)

It's only Azpi, Thiago and possibly Kante (injuries pending) who are at the wrong age and Kante's spot could go to Gallagher (cost nothing)

Ronaldo and Cavani wont last much longer. Central midfield needs a complete re-think, and the defenders themselves, whilst not old, just aren't that good. 

Who would you buy, given the chance, from their squad? The only players you'd look at would be Rashford, Bruno, possibly Sancho and Greenwood. The rest are too old, or too poor. 

You make some valid points there!

I just don't think they're "years away" from competing at the top. Arsenal are, but not Utd.

They were making slow but steady progress but the Ronaldo signing has thrown a spanner in the works. Yes he's scoring goals but his signing  has undoubtably effected their overall team performances.

They have talented players who are wildly inconsistent - Pogba, Martial, Radhford and others like Shaw and Mguire having poor seasons 

Now that Conte has gone to Spurs, I think their real problem is all the other managers they might go for are going to be a lever or two below the likes of Pep, Klopp, TT and Conte. 

 

 

 

 

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