Recommended Posts

Just now, East Lower said:

He wasn’t good at all last night. Although trying to outstrength Burns, who’s mountainous wasn’t very bright. 

Worryingly he couldn't outsprint him either 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
GURJ SS   
20 minutes ago, asvaberg said:

but, but, but - this is exactly what Drogba did, and he surely was successfull :)

Drogba layed the ball off to Lampard who was never far away from him, if not Lamps a wide man who could take a player on and get the ball into the box on their own. The comparison between Lukaku and Drogba is unfair on Lukaku, and also unfair on any other striker that plays for us. Who in today's football can do what Drogba can? No one. We're expecting Lukaku to do it, why exactly? He has never been that type of striker.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Jasonb   

Yes Lukaku didn't deliver for us, I recall he had shot from the left side the keeper saved for a corner and he created a good chance for Apzi who didn't look comfortable trying to side foot it into the corner of the goal and again they concede a corner.

We had several shooting chances falling to the wrong people.

What peeves me is when a cross is about to come over we need the striker to run to the near post as due to the pressing game many don't have the muscle energy to get it over the first defender. That cuts out the keeper too.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Holymoly   

Fantastically "positive" (in other words it's not terrible, everyone needs to be sacked and the sky is falling on our heads) review of our situation from of all people Andy Jacobs on Talksport today.

Instead of blabbing on as usual about how the players are useless and the manager needs to be sacked, he quoted a litany of issues that have conspired to spike our season after having started off like a house on fire, beating Juve 4-0 etc.

1. We played Zappacosta in every game of pre-season then promptly sold him after Livramento had already jumped ship assuming he had no future at the club.

2. We loaned out Emerson a first team selection for Italy and kept Alonso.

3. We brought in Saul when we had Gallacher and Gilmour ready to go for the first team.

4. We have played more games than any team in Europe when our squad has been decimated by injury and covid so that the key players are exhausted.

5. Petr Cech should shoulder some of the blame for the lack of cover we are now experiencing. We had seen last season the effects of covid and maybe should have kept more loanees back for just this sort of predicament.

In other words we're not "just crap" all of a sudden, we 're exhausted.

Also, bear in mind that we have only lost 4 games this entire season, already won a trophy, are going for two more in February and are champions of Europe. Our players have played on average every three days since August while the opposition we have faced are playing every 5 or 6 days. No team, no manager could cope with that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
asvaberg   
6 minutes ago, GURJ SS said:

Drogba layed the ball off to Lampard who was never far away from him, if not Lamps a wide man who could take a player on and get the ball into the box on their own. The comparison between Lukaku and Drogba is unfair on Lukaku, and also unfair on any other striker that plays for us. Who in today's football can do what Drogba can? No one. We're expecting Lukaku to do it, why exactly? He has never been that type of striker.

I know - I was just thinking of collecting the ball facing the wrong way. Agree it's unfair on Lukaku. I really hope he can improve.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
GURJ SS   
36 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

Lukaku said he's apologise to the fans with his actions on the pitch . Suddenly , he's struck dumb.

He is doing the bare minimum just trying to appear to be interested . He's not . He's got what appears to be a completely unfounded superiority complex and we honestly need to cut our losses , move him on at a huge loss if necessary and buy a footballer to replace him .

No amount of scapegoating can cover for a leaden footed buffoon who can't run , can't jump , gets shrugged off the ball by players half his size and complains forcibly to his team mates when they deliver the pass ten centimetres outside where he wants it .

Italy , France , Germany , these are places where he will fit in as there's 36 dead rubber games a season  where he will find his comfort zone , the English Premier League is simply too difficult for a man of his sensibilities .  

We've been playing poor for about a month, from the back to the front, yet Lukaku is the only player called out constantly for being off his game.

The whole team seem to be doing the bare minimum, can't single out Lukaku.

It's scapegoating, he isn't missing chances like Werner had been, because the team can't get the ball into those areas for him to miss. He has a point. Also there's too much being made of his words with Ziyech, Ziyech gave as good as he got and they were discussing things when they went off and came back on during half time; they also linked up well a few times and Lukaku made runs to give Ziyech some space. They were the only 2 players that tried yesterday from our attacking players.

His goal scoring record in the Prem shows he's more than capable of handling the league, all this let him go to another country and play is just people thinking the Prem is where everyone needs to be tested. He passed the test scoring for other teams, the problem is us. We can't get a physical striker (Lukaku) to score goals on a regular basis, we can't get a channel running striker (Werner) to score goals on a regular basis, we can't get a linking up striker (Havertz) to score on a regular basis. We seriously lack creativity in this team, when was the last time any of our attacking mids had 3 good games in a row? Before blaming the striker we need to look at the service. Kane had the same issue, his service and support dropped off and he looked like he didn't deserve 1 of his England Caps he has earned.

We've got issues with our service, and until they're addressed the jury is out on any of our strikers.

Edited by GURJ SS

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
36 minutes ago, southcoastal said:

Bissouma has indeed many attributes but playing last night was not one of them, He is in the ACN with Mali. It doesnt take much to man mark Jorge out of a game thou.

He referenced the home game against Brighton, which was only 3 or 4 weeks ago and also a disappointment, and Bissouma did play then.

8 minutes ago, GURJ SS said:

Drogba layed the ball off to Lampard who was never far away from him, if not Lamps a wide man who could take a player on and get the ball into the box on their own. The comparison between Lukaku and Drogba is unfair on Lukaku, and also unfair on any other striker that plays for us. Who in today's football can do what Drogba can? No one. We're expecting Lukaku to do it, why exactly? He has never been that type of striker.

Yes but not to Lampard.  Generally Lampard played left of the V with the front 3 (or front 2 plus top of D) and also mostly the right of V  all playing upfield of Lampard.
By the end of the move Lampard might arrive in the box, but others would have been there long before him.

So yes the odd thing is Lukaku expected to join play with AMs who aren't pushed up while at the same time Lukaku is pushing to the offside line.
The other part of the comparison with Lukaku ought to be goals.  Lukaku's 8 goals in 16 starts so far would be pretty good for Drogba who only got more than 16 goals in all comps in a season or 12 PL  goals for us twice.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
asvaberg   

@Holymoly thanks.

December-January (up until yesterday):

PL: W-L-W-D-D-W-D-D-L-D

CL: D

CC: W-W-W

FA: W

I can't remember we've ever played 15 games in 2 Months time, but I might be wrong.

However, we are still in all 4 Competitions + SuperDuperWorldCup or whatever they call it.

Edited by asvaberg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ruudboy   
1 hour ago, asvaberg said:

SuperCup final 2012 Atletico Madrid? Lukaku wasn't there. It did not end in a draw and penalty shootout - it ended 4-1 to AM.

It was the year after, 2013, against Bayern Munich - 2-2 and penalties > 5-4 BM. Lukaku had the last of 5 pens, and missed.

Enjoy, 

 

I was there too, sandwiched between Japanese waving iPads in front of me and Russians chanting Roos-eye-ah. Both learned some useful colloquial English phrases, and at least one oriental gentleman left the match reflecting on whether an iPad would actually fit where I had proposed.

 The crowd were not exactly helping matters, but Lukaku was quite as Nobly recalls: looked like a lost little boy, hoping someone would tell him what to do. His gait was as described, leaving me to wonder whether he was carrying an iPad himself.

At the end of the match I returned to my hotel. The bar was closed and there was just a small can of Heineken in the minibar.

 Summed the evening up. Shame. The bar had been fun before we walked to the stadium, but that’s where the fun stopped.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ham   
54 minutes ago, GURJ SS said:

Fans are scapegoating. Lukaku is spending far too much time receiving the ball with his back to goal, he can't get ball on the half turn because we struggle to break a team down through the middle, he's not having crosses played into the box, the long ball distribution from our team is horrendously poor, and the team is leaving him isolated when he's on the ball; no striker in the world can do it all alone.

Has the squad got an issue with him? He spent the whole game asking for teammates to get closer, Mount and CHO spent the time twiddling their thumbs, the moment Havertz comes on not only  crosses start but also Mount and CHO start playing closer to the striker.

When I heard what Lukaku said I was happy for him to leave, since he apologised and the club and manager have decided he can play then he's our striker, but if it means half the team not playing alongside him then I'd rather see those players sit on the bench.

We've got to have some sort of fairness across the board, last night Ziyech was our best attacking player, he fought, chased down, got the ball and looked to make something happen. Lukaku was then behind him, he was up against 2 centre backs and a DM closing him down, and every time he managed to get the ball to a teammate that teammate chose to slow down and pass backwards; in particular CHO and Mount, until the last 5mins both CHO and Mount were nothing short of utter embarrassment and shouldn't start the next game.

100% agree with this. He hasn't been great but he's feeding on scraps.  The horrible misses have been from others week after week. 

20 minutes ago, Holymoly said:

Fantastically "positive" (in other words it's not terrible, everyone needs to be sacked and the sky is falling on our heads) review of our situation from of all people Andy Jacobs on Talksport today.

Instead of blabbing on as usual about how the players are useless and the manager needs to be sacked, he quoted a litany of issues that have conspired to spike our season after having started off like a house on fire, beating Juve 4-0 etc.

1. We played Zappacosta in every game of pre-season then promptly sold him after Livramento had already jumped ship assuming he had no future at the club.

2. We loaned out Emerson a first team selection for Italy and kept Alonso.

3. We brought in Saul when we had Gallacher and Gilmour ready to go for the first team.

4. We have played more games than any team in Europe when our squad has been decimated by injury and covid so that the key players are exhausted.

5. Petr Cech should shoulder some of the blame for the lack of cover we are now experiencing. We had seen last season the effects of covid and maybe should have kept more loanees back for just this sort of predicament.

In other words we're not "just crap" all of a sudden, we 're exhausted.

Also, bear in mind that we have only lost 4 games this entire season, already won a trophy, are going for two more in February and are champions of Europe. Our players have played on average every three days since August while the opposition we have faced are playing every 5 or 6 days. No team, no manager could cope with that.

A bit of perspective and positivity.  👍

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now