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13 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

It does make you wonder why doesn't it? 

Not if you can think back to how Rudi was playing like a division two player with a hangover. Frank had no choice but to drop him.

Anyway. Great interview and I wish Rudi all the best for the future.

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Ruudboy   

I heard Rudi wanted 400k / week, which the club thought was taking the Michael. But whoever asks a low figure at the start of negotiations? 
Anyhow, he's off now and good luck to him, but I confess I don't have a warm feeling about it being a good move

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11 minutes ago, Ruudboy said:

I heard Rudi wanted 400k / week, which the club thought was taking the Michael. 

That is the type of wage demand that will happen when players see their club blow apart its wage structure with deals like the ludicrous one for Lukaku.

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23 minutes ago, boratsbrother said:

That is the type of wage demand that will happen when players see their club blow apart its wage structure with deals like the ludicrous one for Lukaku.

You pay big wages for inform established players, that's generally how it works. More so when they also come at a sizeable cost to obtain. 

The bigger issue is paying players like Pulsiic, Hudson-Odoi, and similar 150k pw on the basis of absolutely nothing substantial. It hikes the base level wages up, but also sets a floor for those higher profile deals where you can't really pay them that sort of figure or less. Alas, higher wages there.

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4 minutes ago, xCELERYx said:

You pay big wages for inform established players, that's generally how it works. More so when they also come at a sizeable cost to obtain. 

The bigger issue is paying players like Pulsiic, Hudson-Odoi, and similar 150k pw on the basis of absolutely nothing substantial. It hikes the base level wages up, but also sets a floor for those higher profile deals where you can't really pay them that sort of figure or less. Alas, higher wages there.

350 k a week for Lukaku was obscene wages for a player who has never looked close to being an elite level striker in the PL. 

His goal record is massively padded out by goals in a sub standard Italian league, scoring against second and third rate countries etc. If you think he is worth 350k a week, what on earth would pay for an elite player? 1 million a week? I say that, because I genuinely think a forward like a Salah, Aguero, Henry, Kane et al, are indeed worth three times the wage of a Lukaku.

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55 minutes ago, boratsbrother said:

350 k a week for Lukaku was obscene wages for a player who has never looked close to being an elite level striker in the PL. 

His goal record is massively padded out by goals in a sub standard Italian league, scoring against second and third rate countries etc. If you think he is worth 350k a week, what on earth would pay for an elite player? 1 million a week? I say that, because I genuinely think a forward like a Salah, Aguero, Henry, Kane et al, are indeed worth three times the wage of a Lukaku.

You're sort of missing the point. 

Lukaku was on around 150k pw at Inter Milan and by far their biggest earner. He scored 64 goals in 95 appearances, with a further 16 assists. On top of this, over 100 PL goals from his prior stints at WBA, Everton and Man Utd. Now, you can debate whether he's an elite player, the teams he scored against, whatever. The fact of the matter is that based on his impressive performances at Inter Milan over the previous 24 months and his wages there, he got a contract from us that effectively doubled his salary, not exactly an abnormal thing to happen when making a bigger move.

There was no way we could've offered him a similar wage to his Inter Milan one when you've got others in the squad who've done far less earning more. 

Timo Werner is another that was paid on the basis of sustained form over two prior seasons and effectively doubled his Leipzig wages. 

And here lies the downside in signing higher profile or in form players, you're paying for what they've already produced for their previous club and what you hope they'll do at your own. If either player carried their previous club form over to us, no one would be battering an eye about what they're earning. 

As I originally said earlier, the bigger issue is handing out large contracts to those who've got no real prior substance. 150k for a mediocre Pulisic that was ousted out of the Dortmund team by a younger Sancho. A similar number for an upcoming Hudson-Odoi, all because we were afraid of losing him to Bayern, and a young upcoming goalkeeper that still had much to learn and prove in Kepa. 100k or so per week for old mates Ross Barkley and Drinkwater. And then like 200k to loan bloody Saul for the season. All of those are absolutely ridiculous and have a far more negative impact than paying a player or players who've showcased greater levels of substance.

Of course we can opt to not pay the mega wages we do to players like Lukaku, Werner, Kante and so on, but it means being okay with seeing certain targets going elsewhere because of it. It may also mean targeting a lower rung of players instead and being happy to settle for that. 

End of the day the wage structure needs to be amended by changing our transfer policy, along with the way we identify players. All of this will play a substantial role in the sort of deals we hand out.

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9 minutes ago, xCELERYx said:

You're sort of missing the point. 

Lukaku was on around 150k pw at Inter Milan and by far their biggest earner. He scored 64 goals in 95 appearances, with a further 16 assists. On top of this, over 100 PL goals from his prior stints at WBA, Everton and Man Utd. Now, you can debate whether he's an elite player, the teams he scored against, whatever. The fact of the matter is that based on his impressive performances at Inter Milan over the previous 24 months and his wages there, he got a contract from us that effectively doubled his salary, not exactly an abnormal thing to happen when making a bigger move.

There was no way we could've offered him a similar wage to his Inter Milan one when you've got others in the squad who've done far less earning more. 

Timo Werner is another that was paid on the basis of sustained form over two prior seasons and effectively doubled his Leipzig wages. 

And here lies the downside in signing higher profile or in form players, you're paying for what they've already produced for their previous club and what you hope they'll do at your own. If either player carried their previous club form over to us, no one would be battering an eye about what they're earning. 

As I originally said earlier, the bigger issue is handing out large contracts to those who've got no real prior substance. 150k for a mediocre Pulisic that was ousted out of the Dortmund team by a younger Sancho. A similar number for an upcoming Hudson-Odoi, all because we were afraid of losing him to Bayern, and a young upcoming goalkeeper that still had much to learn and prove in Kepa. 100k or so per week for old mates Ross Barkley and Drinkwater. And then like 200k to loan bloody Saul for the season. All of those are absolutely ridiculous and have a far more negative impact than paying a player or players who've showcased greater levels of substance.

Of course we can opt to not pay the mega wages we do to players like Lukaku, Werner, Kante and so on, but it means being okay with seeing certain targets going elsewhere because of it. It may also mean targeting a lower rung of players instead and being happy to settle for that. 

End of the day the wage structure needs to be amended by changing our transfer policy, along with the way we identify players. All of this will play a substantial role in the sort of deals we hand out.

The fact that the club thought it was worth increasing Lukaku's wages by 200k a week purely off the back of his performances in a second rate league, only goes to further underline a growing incompetence with those responsible for our transfers in recent years.  All sports stars are judged by what they do against the best, not how well they do battering the mediocre and the weak. It is not an opinion that Lukaku is not up there with the elite. In his 3 seasons for Utd and us, he has scored the grand total of one league goal against teams that were in the top six. They are the hard facts which prove he is a bottler when playing big matches for big clubs in the top league. Not an opinion. A clear proven fact! 

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35 minutes ago, boratsbrother said:

The fact that the club thought it was worth increasing Lukaku's wages by 200k a week purely off the back of his performances in a second rate league, only goes to further underline a growing incompetence with those responsible for our transfers in recent years.  All sports stars are judged by what they do against the best, not how well they do battering the mediocre and the weak. It is not an opinion that Lukaku is not up there with the elite. In his 3 seasons for Utd and us, he has scored the grand total of one league goal against teams that were in the top six. They are the hard facts which prove he is a bottler when playing big matches for big clubs in the top league. Not an opinion. A clear proven fact! 

Lukaku might have been an RA purchase, if we remember before Lukaku we were apparently asking about Kane and Haaland.

This is one of the downsides with Roman he lumbers us with Shevchenko, Torres and now Lukaku.

Hopefully this does not happen under new ownership.

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55 minutes ago, Jasonb said:

Lukaku might have been an RA purchase, if we remember before Lukaku we were apparently asking about Kane and Haaland.

This is one of the downsides with Roman he lumbers us with Shevchenko, Torres and now Lukaku.

Hopefully this does not happen under new ownership.

I'm confident there will be no more of those expensive mistakes. Having said that, Torres did at least play significant part in us winning two European trophies, so he wasn't a complete waste of money.

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