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  1. 4 points
    There’s one well coached team out there and it isn’t us. I honestly can’t wait until Sarri leaves.
  2. 4 points
    Can we just carry on not playing? We seem to be doing much better in the race for the top 4 when we are not actually on the pitch!
  3. 3 points
    Re point number 1 - We've been a mid-table side since the turn of the new year and our form reflects that. There just hasn't been enough progression shown to be convinced that we're heading in the right direction with Sarri as manager. While a top four finish, Europa League final and League Cup final may look like a solid return on paper, the reality on the pitch has been anything but convincing to warrant those results. We owe a lot to the horrendous form of Arsenal, Tottenham and Man Utd for the way they've closed out the season, opposed to our own good performances. While we had one of the easiest and most favourable Europa League runs imaginable. The one competitive team we did face in Frankfurt, still saw us struggle and rely on penalties to squeeze past. Is a pre-season and possibly a few extra players going to change much in the way Sarri approaches management? Unlikely. Re point number 2 - While RLC has grown this season, a lot of that has come from playing proper senior football last season at Palace for the first time. Sarri will have refined some areas, but lets not act like this is the same RLC of 3-4 years ago that Sarri inherited either. CHO improved - yet his change largely came about because of Bayern's interest and fan pressure. Up until then Sarri wasn't giving him a sniff whatsoever. Barkley is neither here nor there. Personally, I think he's regressed from the player that used to play at Everton - particularly in an attacking sense. Rudiger looks no better or worse than he was under Conte. Emerson similarly no better than he was when he was playing at Roma pre-injury. Still also took Sarri 6 months of the season to finally give him a proper look in also. Jorginho has looked better, but that's largely down to becoming more comfortable with the Premier League than anything else and little to do with Sarri himself. Higuain isn't going to improve because he's a 32 year old striker who has been on a visible decline for the past 18 months. Sarri or no Sarri, Higuain is no longer a top striker any more. That's the reality of where he's at in his career now, it happens to everyone eventually. With us likely to lose Hazard in the coming weeks, a transfer ban that's yet to be postponed, a squad that is still miles away from being where it needs to be, and the last 6 months of football being some of the most uninspiring and dullest seen in in the RA era, you can't really blame anyone if they're yet to be convinced that moving forward with Sarri to be the best thing.
  4. 3 points
    Sarri confirms RLC came off with cramp. Sarri got booed because RLC wasn't fit enough to complete the match so he replaced him with Barkley; maybe to avoid confusion in the future he should hold a board up with the reason why he's making his substitutions.
  5. 2 points
    Nabil Fekir is leaving Lyon this summer, not sure if he would fit here, could possibly play the number 8 position or maybe play as a striker, much like Mertens did under Sarri at Napoli but if we can buy players this summer I'd take him without hesitation. Quality footballer.
  6. 2 points
    can't believe anyone is still banging the 'we only came 3rd because everyone else was rubbish' argument. It's one of the silliest things I have ever heard on here and there has been some really silly things said. Over a 38 game season the league table will never lie. Its not about the second half or the run in or whatever period suits your argument, it's about the entire season. That's why the league is so hard to win and the only true reflection of how good each team is. It's why we have a league table. We were the 3rd best team in the league, over 38 games this season. It's quite simple. Maybe we didn't play the 3rd best football but over the course of the season we accumulated the 3rd highest amount of points, hence us finishing where we did. This really shouldn't be so difficult to understand. Now you can argue all you like about the style of football, that will come down to opinions. My opinion is it was pretty dire at times, very good at others but a million times better than last season. What you can not possibly argue is that we were the 3rd best team in the country this season. It's a simple fact. Say as much as you like about the others not being good enough, it's fairly obvious as they finished behind us, but you could quite easily flip the argument around and say we finished above them as we were better than them, which we quite clearly were. This arguement will soon be forgotten much like those claiming Kante had been played out of position or that Jorginho is useless. Dislike the style of football as much as you like, that can be debated all day long but at least it will be debatable. Spouting nonsense is just that, no matter how many times you say it, it will not become true if it isn't. Facts are facts, unfortunately for some it seems.
  7. 2 points
    RLC was definitely starting the final and even arguably our best player other than Eden for the last month plus. If you can’t acknowledge his performance levels for that last period of time you are probably never going to. And playing regularly, getting confident and experienced was the only thing lacking for him. Building on this great run of form could see him take his game to another level next season. He is obviously not there yet, «there» being a game-changing midfielder like Lampard or Essien, but I definitely think he has the ability and mentality to get there. And this season showed how far he could get in just a few appearances.
  8. 2 points
    I'm not sure if this is pointed at these boards but people really started to turn during a run of embarrassing results where Sarri refused to change our approach, and our players appeared completely uninspired by him. Judging form the match day threads that was based on posters watching the games and forming an opinion, nothing to do with the media and I'm not even sure what that part of your post means tbh. Once Sarri showed he was willing to be a bit more flexible and changed things up attitudes towards him also changed, there is certainly more of a split of pro and anti than there was in January. I agree that fans in the stadium have a duty to cheer on the team and booing is unacceptable and counter productive. The only player/manager to get such abuse was Benitez which was almost a perfect storm of circumstances and I can understand that. It would be interesting to hear from those fans that have been chanting F Sari Ball etc to see why they feel so different towards him, whether it his him, a general frustration, or fans becoming too entitled and their behaviour changing. Personally I think it is a general frustration that we have gone form challenging in Europe to challenging to qualify for Europe, the complacency shown where we have not progressed after triumphs, and also quite importantly the fact that two hated rivals in Liverpool and Spurs appear to be better run than us, play better football than us, and have been getting better results than us (some of those points are arguable) I think some of this is being directed at the manager as people don't want to vent at Roman or the board of his trusted advisors. As a club the people running us appear to always be at odds with the last few managers rather than genuinely working with them in the manner that City, Liverpool and Spurs to some degree do. You could say there is a 'palpable discord' all over the shop which has got us to where we are today.
  9. 2 points
    Funny to see comments suggesting RLC could have easily been injured in training. Yes he could have but he wasn't. He was injured in a meaningless game on a cabbage-patch pitch.
  10. 2 points
    Well the fact that Loftus Cheek was recently subbed twice due to cramping-up might be a sign that the guy probably needed a rest. Also to what extent are the injuries of Rudiger and Kante down to being overplayed and Sarri’s well known aversion to rotating his squad? Injuries happen at anytime. But suddenly we’ve got a spate of them at the business end of the season. And Kante apart, all pretty serious and similar types.
  11. 2 points
    and the injury couldn't have happened then? Is it frustrating yes, but as the poster above said, it could have happened during training, during warm up for the final. Yes he could have played a crucial part in the final, but if we can't beat Arsenal just because a bit part player, admittedly a good one, is out of the final, we might as well not bother turning up.
  12. 2 points
    Me and my Dad are going. My Dad was at Stockholm and we were both at Moscow. Another chapter in our fanaticism for this club. I’m a rare example of someone that is actually interested in seeing Azerbaijan. We’re Turkish, and Azerbaijani people are basically the same ethnicity as us, their language is 90% mutually intelligible with ours (grammatical structure is the same, it’s just differences in vocab and accent) and historically they called themselves Turks but the Turkish part of their identity was played down and “Azerbaijani” identity played up by their Russian rulers to avoid possible unity with Turkey (classic divide and conquer). So it will be weird to be in a foreign country where we know the language and can easily communicate with the locals. Though of course I understand and appreciate the criticisms of the logistical nightmare that the host selection has caused. Adds a whole new meaning to “wherever they go, we’ll follow our team” in Blue Flag, “We all follow the Chelsea over land and sea” and “Carefree, wherever you may be”. CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE! WE’VE DONE IT BEFORE!
  13. 2 points
    Somehow failed our way into third its unprecedented luck
  14. 2 points
    I was there last night. In my usual seat as a season ticket holder. MHL Row Y near the West Stand wraparound - so my comments apply to that part of the ground. There was a constant low-level rumble of moaning from people around me - not all of them, but a significant number of long-timers (generally male, generally older) - ironically, this moaning sometimes broke into chants of 'We're supposed to be at home' - so they will sing about us not singing, but won't sing for us! When RLC was subbed (probably for all the good reasons explained by thevelourfrog there was booing - followed immediately by a quick chant of 'F*** Sarri-ball' - this was soon drowned out by a louder, positive chant from the bunch behind the goal. At one point, a guy a few rows down from me turned round and had a real go at the moaners - words to this effect: even if you don't like Sarri, what good does it do Chelsea to boo? Well done that guy. I've posted on here before about the constant moaning in my part of the ground. There have been games this season when I've thought about not going - nothing to do with Sarri, nothing to do with our team - entirely because I could hardly face the thought of the whinging Bs around me! When you think about the atmosphere created at Liverpool on Tuesday - you have to put your hands up and say: we are not a top four Crowd! I honestly believe our home support is sometimes a contributory factor to our less than passionate performances. The players need lifting. Support for your football team (in my mind) is unequivocal not dependent on waiting for the team to play well before you cheer. I never boo. There, glad I got that off my chest.
  15. 2 points
    Listening to the radio last night after the game and the consensus from Chelsea supporters seemed to accord with my view, we really have no business contesting a European final after the season we've experienced. Lack of consistency. Lack of motivation. Lack of application. Lack of pretty much everything at some point over the season. It's more a reflection on the rest of Europe than it is on our club. Arrizabalaga at least deserves much credit for keeping us in it during the game and saving the two penalties. Hazard however may as well not been playing for his contribution during the course of the 120 minutes. Jorginho reverted to type. Kovacic has no place whatsoever in any role on the pitch. Higuain too adds nothing and last night Giroud was not needed as a striker. Sarri's apparent design is for us to walk the ball into the net which may be admirable however when you have no midfield capable of any invention, especially when RLC is subbed for Barkley, this becomes patently impossible. Our defense is not bad however, equally, it isn't great and when you put midfielders in front of it who are incapble of, defending you are asking for trouble. We are a collection of individuals some of whom are reasonably gifted however, as has been demonstrated over the season, when we come up against an organised team we get found out and I fear that will happen in Baku at the end of the month. Bittersweet emotions here at the house of mole.
  16. 2 points
    If Dave hadn't played the whole season and we were in this position, Sarri would be getting blamed for not playing Dave. We've become negative as fans and massively in the stadium. The away team wants it more because their fans are playing with them, our team is playing against 13 players, the 12th is their fans and the 13th is ours.
  17. 2 points
    I would like to pay tribute to Gary Cahill on a personal level.I met him twice in portugal first time I got a picture taken with him,second time he was sitting beside myself and my wife in a restaurant and he remembered us.Gary I salute you sir for the wonderful professional footballer you are but more importantly I salute you as a human being.
  18. 2 points
    Strange isn't it that here we are all worried if we can beat Watford on our own patch to try and finish in the top four, how we have fallen in status and quality these past few years. Sarri gets the blame right now but this has been going on for several years because of a failure of the board to strengthen our team when we were at our strongest. Now to even think about catching City or Liverpool it will take several years I think if we are lucky. Too bad isn't it :( Edit: All the best to Cahill who has been nothing short of class over the years he has been with us, won everything and I am really angry by the way he has been treated.
  19. 2 points
    Consistently inconsistent?
  20. 2 points
  21. 2 points
    You know how people try and try for years to have children , mortgaging their houses , downgrading their cars to pay for IVF and finally after years and years they have a miracle baby . That goal was like that only more unlikely.
  22. 2 points
    Through on penalties ! Excellent stuff .
  23. 1 point
    For Arsenal, this is CL qualification. It's a proper game.
  24. 1 point
    SFL wasn't a midfield monster when we bought him. His first 6 months or so, very ordinary, and a good second half to his first season. Thereafter, he grew and grew. RLC is the same age now as SFL was when we bought him, so really any comparison starts now.
  25. 1 point
  26. 1 point
    Droy, you acknowledge the change in circumstances we are currently about to embark upon either now for 12 months or from August for 18 months. Don't you think it's worth a gamble on an individual who cares more for the club than any of the predecessors who only cared about their CV? If we weren't looking down the barrel of a transfer ban I'd agree that Sarri maybe deserves another year but even then I'd not be that optimistic of our ability to make inroads to the City/Poll axis. We need to totally reorganise our squad and that is not possible over the course of a single transfer window however making use of some of the current loan players just might unearth some diamonds. I'm really sick to death of acquiring players who are a transfer late arriving at the club or else wasting a fortune on foreigners that never make the grade.
  27. 1 point
    So definitely not the two months where results included losses to Leicester, Spurs, Arsenal, Bournemouth, City & United and a draw against Southampton at an aggregate score of 16-0. After an opening to the campaign where many pointed out we hadn't played well at all but somehow managed to go a few games unbeaten with a large slice of luck.
  28. 1 point
    Giroud/Higuain is interesting - Olivier has been great in EL in the first part of the season, but then somehow stopped performing. Whereas Gonzalo seems to be growing into the gaming in the last few matches. Also, Zappa was quite good since coming in recently.
  29. 1 point
    These are surely examples that do your argument more harm than good, though. Gattuso got the Milan job (with respect not a top job for many years now) on the face of it because of his history with the club rather than an especially impressive resume with lower league clubs, and he's reportedly on the verge of the sack having done fairly little there. Zidane is a weird one to bring up; he also got his job out of tradition and nepotism rather than impressing or establishing himself at a lower level. The Portuguese league ... With respect, who cares? Most people who follow the PL couldn't name most of the clubs in that league, never mind the managers; there's maybe two jobs worth having (in a top level sense) having there. Lampard is less than a year into his managerial career. I love him, but he's done nothing especially impressive, or even interesting in it yet. There is literally no way on Earth you would be talking about an imaginary Joe Bloggs who lead Generic Championship Team FC to 6th place in the Championship (having taken the job with them in ... 6th place) after 11 months in the career getting the Chelsea job.
  30. 1 point
    Not when there are 17 others who finished even further behind than us no. The top 2 finished as they did because they were excellent, not because of our inadequacies. The only points in their final totals that we might have influenced were in the games we played against them. Sometimes there are others who are better, that's the nature of the beast. We were still better than over 89% of our opponents in the league.
  31. 1 point
    Don't no where to put it but I have a friend in ballywalter northern Ireland who is an artist - he captured Didier Drogba's reaction after he scored the winning penalty in 2012 in art form and I have it proudly framed in my dining room wall. If you would like anything similar google James Kelly artist/illustrator and I will get you a generous discount.
  32. 1 point
  33. 1 point
    No, it is by far and away the worst final possible. Never in a million years did I ever expect this to happen. Ever. Every Chelsea fan I know wants Liverpool to win, as do I and I've already come to terms with that, I dont even feel dirty about it.
  34. 1 point
    You can't believe anything you hear in a press conference anyway . Apparently .
  35. 1 point
    Garth Crooks is a prize idiot. RLC minutes for Palace last season 1965. RLC minutes for Chelsea this season 1699. With 2 or 3 games to go and I would expect him to be starting all of them, if fit.
  36. 1 point
  37. 1 point
    Won the league with Terry, Ivanovic, Mikel, Costa, Matic and a prime Fabregas in the squad. Also Hazard was 25 at the start of that season, Willian just turned 28 and Pedro just turned 29, which makes a huge difference. He won the league and then slaughtered the squad, leaving us with what we have now. To finish top 4 with the squad Conte left without a decent centre forward, signing only one outfield player on a permanent basis, after a world cup year, whilst being the first manager in a very, very long time to actually invest in the youth players, (something we have all been wanting a manager to do), is a remarkable achievement in my eyes.
  38. 1 point
    I suspect it was when we went from one English club in CWC and CL to 4 clubs in the CL. Much easier to support Villa in European Cup when your own club is not in it. It was even easier when your own club hadn't qualified since 1955.
  39. 1 point
    Because you can't trust this team to do anything right. Can't be disappointed if you have no expectations.
  40. 1 point
    Yes, yes but aside from robbing the Gabbici and Pringle shops, can you think of any other incidents that occurred overseas?
  41. 1 point
    Well.........yes and no for me. I have a lot of sympathy for poor Duckenfield, and the families of the victims. Let's leave it there.........
  42. 1 point
    Sarri can't do no right, us as fans know our club has taken their foot off the gas and we've dropped in quality, and the thing is unless that changes we won't be challenging for the title again; but it's easy to blame the managers and talk about 'next year maybe being our year' if we get a new manager.....sounds familiar.
  43. 1 point
    I just hope we make more of a fist of it than the other poor excuses of clubs in Europe this week. Can't remember the last time we were so bereft of central defenders....oh wait, yes I do 19 May 2012.
  44. 1 point
    I could take the point that Spurs are more the sum of their parts than a collection of huge individual talents, and along with that I do think that player-by-player they aren't better for us (although have been a signficiantly better team for the last two seasons, for the little it is worth). But I think you're underselling their individuals and making odd player comparisons to prove a nonsense point. Kane walks into our team, indeed any PL team and likely any of the top dozen or so European clubs, with or without Pochettino and it is silly to say otherwise. Eriksen walks (I imagine it would be walking) into our team, and he'd be walking into a position no-one in the right mind would suggest is already occupied by Hazard; in fact, I'm not sure anyone in their right mind would suggest the role of creative/goal-scoring central midfielder is occupied by anyone at Chelsea right now. Peak Pedro was, IMO, head and shoulders above what Son has done so far or is likely to do in his career, but we live in the now and the fact is Son would very easily be starting for us most games. Lucas Moura would definitely be getting game time, if not as an automatic or first-choice pick. No one at Spurs comes close to Kante, but in this year's form we could really do with someone like Sissoko. Both of Tottenham's left-backs would be getting look-ins at the very least, and it is difficult to ignore (unless you try very hard to) just how good their centre backs have been for ages now. I'm not especially invested in whatever daft 'Sarri ran over my dog' point you're trying to make here, only read the post I've quoted. But Spurs have a really good team with plenty of excellent players, and it is downright odd to pretend otherwise to somehow try to criticise someone who manages at a different club.
  45. 1 point
    That Van de Beek looks like some player.
  46. 1 point
    That would explain why Arsenal have won more games than us this sea... Oh wait. Well, maybe last sea... Oh, not then either. A collective madness seems to have descended here recently. It's been a stressful season, we all deserve the coming break. I know one thing about Frankfurt; they have a player called Nelson Mandela.
  47. 1 point
    Blimey , has Sarri been coaching the defenders ?
  48. 1 point
    Can't believe we didn't score that chance at the end.
  49. 1 point
    Happy with a point but a pathetic showing from us. As soon as the season is done, Sarri, Marina Granovskaia and 6-8 players need to be shown the door, irrespective of a transfer ban.
  50. 1 point
    Got in from work , turned on the TV to be treated to the sound of a Scouser opining about "bringing it back home where it belongs" The Premier league trophy , a trophy they've never won , going "back home". Come on City , do the World a favour.