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  1. 6 points
    8-0 to the Blue behemoth with Sarri marching onto the pitch at full time and slamming a Chelsea flag into the centre circle. Higuain , fresh from his endeavours against United where nobody managed to pass to him , with the elusive double hat trick . Capped by the 8th goal of the evening from Alonso who clearing the ball from his own goal line , beats six or seven Malmo players with raw speed alone before playing nine one-two's in the area with Hazard and Willian prior to back heeling the ball between the keepers legs. Kepa Azpi , Rudi, Luiz,Alonso Jorgi Kante Kovacic Willian Higuain Hazard Barkley 65 for Kovacic , Giroud 85 for Higuain , CHO 90+5 for Willian
  2. 6 points
    Actually it's very simple. Morata will cost Chelsea £70m because he will trigger all his add-ons Lukaku will cost United £75m because he'll never come close to triggering his add-ons 😂 😂 😂
  3. 6 points
    One of the worlds best midfielders of his generation, the best English midfielder any living person can remember, the best player to have ever graced the Premier League and without a doubt Chelsea's best ever player. A true gentleman and a credit to his family and the club. When he scored against us the Chelsea fans sang his name and gave him an ovation. His reaction? Tears. The crowd reaction when he broke our goal scoring record at Villa Park( as a midfielder!) - carnage. When he captained us in our greatest ever night in Munich. When he won us the league. Twice. When he won us the cup. The time when he finished second in the Ballon D'Or after an outrageously good Ronaldinho. The penalty against Liverpool in the Champions League only days after his mum passed. The countless of goals he's scored and the equally impressive number of assists he racked up. Three league titles, one champions league, one Europa league, four FA cups, two league cups and 106 England caps. Between 2004 and 2006 he was the best player in the world together with Ronaldinho. He was truly unique and overshadowed anything the red tops could line up. People debated who was best between Lampard and Gerrard. In truth it was not even a contest. Frank won hands down - both as a player and as a man. We'll talk about him 100 years from now. There will never be a midfielder like him ever again. That much is certain. 211 Chelsea goals... As a midfielder. It's so crazy you can hardly believe it unless you witnessed it yourself. If he doesn't get a statue outside the new ground it'll be a disgrace of epic proportions. Take a bow Frank. What a career you've had. Edit: oh and perhaps the most impressive stat of them all, scoring double figures for ten straight seasons in the Premier League between 2003/04 to 2012/13. 130 PL goals... Read that again and think about what it actually means. It's not human. It's out of this world. It's fantasy. Only it actually happened. ****ing hell. Even I'm getting impressed all over again just reading of his accomplishments never mind living through them. What a ****ing legend. Steven Gerrard? Who?!?
  4. 5 points
    Given the quality of the players we have been spending money on recently , maybe we should appeal for a longer ban ?
  5. 5 points
    After tonight, I finally understand what Sarriball is and have solved all the confusion. About 20 mins in, we got a goal kick. Rudiger goes to one edge of our penalty area and stands about 2m from the goal line. He then starts shouting and waving his arms furiously at Christensen, who is right across the other side of the penalty area standing about 5m from the goal line. Apparently, AC standing 3m further forwards makes it very much easier for Malmo’s press (they are all lined up on the edge of our area for our goal kick, ready to pounce!). All through the first half, we are (for want of a better term) dicking about with the ball in the first 25m from our goal, almost exclusively right over at the sides of the pitch. This is great fun. The Swedish postmen and locksmiths press like mad and force us into numerous errors. Azpilicueta receives the ball in countless impossible situations. We cede possession many many times. In the second half, the pattern continues until postmen get very tired. Then bang! Counter attack at pace. Giroud. Goal! So there it is. Joseball and Conteball were “you have the ball and we will nick it 25m from our goal, counter attack at pace and score”. Sarriball is much cleverer. It is “we dick about with the ball in our own defensive corners, until somehow you fail to dispossess us and then we counter attack at pace and score”. Its genius. The only problem I can see with this, is if we try doing it against professional footballers rather than assorted grocers and IT consultants.
  6. 5 points
    We can play Malcolm in the middle.
  7. 5 points
  8. 5 points
    Perspective, please. We are champions. We reached the semi-finals of the Carabao, we are still in the FA Cup and CL - most importantly, by far, in a league this competitive, we are pretty well placed at 3rd in the PL. The squad (trust me) is the envy of many of the fans of other clubs I know. Yes, my Spurs, United and Arsenal fans also shake their heads in disbelief at their respective Boards' ineptness and rant about their crap players. Playing the 'long serving fan' card is a bit boring, but I do it here for a good reason, to reassure you all that, looking back over 52 years at the Bridge (I debuted in old North Stand, aged 2, in 1962) - we never had it so good! Enjoy the debate here, but don't lose that all important perspective. Crisis, what crisis?
  9. 5 points
    He has no excuse.... ...even Joey Cole bought the Linguaphone box set so could learn American :)
  10. 5 points
    I should have guessed you be an expert tosser.
  11. 5 points
    Isn't being "the best defender in the MLS" a bit like being the World's tallest dwarf?
  12. 4 points
    Apparently 100 Liverpool supporters were arrested with Flares at the Everton game . The Police let them off when they realised they'd been wearing them since the last time they won the league.
  13. 4 points
    I'd be happy to have continuity, and be prepared for the odd hiccup on the way, if I could see progress was being made, but I don't see progress but regression. Actually, worse than regression, I see confusion. We can all find faults in any individual player if we wish, but our current back four, who one would generally describe as a fairly solid defensive unit, look as if they've never played together before and are learning their positions. A group of 13/14 year olds I could accept that from, but these are guys who have been together for a while and are seasoned professionals. Their individual and collective performances have dropped off a cliff edge. Is that down to the players or down to the instructions they're receiving from the coach? As xCeleryx has said, if these 14/15 players he is trying to improve in training are continually failing on the pitch, why does he continue with those same 14/15 players week in week out... especially when a fair few are not the long-term future of the club? It's a form of dissonance on the part of Sarri; the players won't do as I tell them so I will continue with the same players until they do. Are we really to believe that players that have won countless trophies, Premierships in many cases, and many of whom represent their countries are totally incapable of implementing the wishes of a coach? Maybe the messages coming from the coach are confused and confusing? If Sarri is hell-bent on continuing with his 'there is no Plan B' philosophy, using the same core group of players, then I really can't see results getting any better this season. And what happens if, with different players next season, they still don't improve in training? We do have too many average players... but we also have an average coach who I believe is totally out of his depth here.
  14. 4 points
    That wasn't the purpose of the post. I was pointing out that using the number of goals scored by the other two was a bit unfair to the one who wasn't playing. I'll give you three examples of why I'm a big fan of CHO. None are evidence that he's better than the other two but they're suggestions of what is yet to come. 1) His man of the match performance v Arsenal in the pre season friendly where he single handedly destroyed them on the left wing. Doesn't matter that it was a friendly as Arsenal were actually just ahead of us in terms of fitness IIRC. 2) Those 2 touches for his cup goal at the Bridge. Again, the level of opposition was irrelevant as those two touches were so good that no defender in the world would have stopped him. 3) Those crosses for Morata from the right wing. A few on here have suggested that he hasn't done anything of note in a Chelsea shirt. I beg to differ. He gives us something completely different to the other two. He's quicker, plays wider and is more direct. Defences generally know what to expect from Willian and Pedro. Both prefer to cut inside from wide. CHO is a surprise package for most. For that reason I'd be mortified if we lose him soon in favour of two players who are not going to be around for long. A week or so ago Sarri said that the reason he'd dropped CHO back to the bench was because he had played 3 days earlier and he then proceeded to play 30+ Willian twice in a few days.
  15. 4 points
    All of the above and much MUCH more. I know Kev and some others don't agree but I'm truly gutted. Cesc didn't want to leave, his family are settled in London, but Sarri, having said how important Cesc was to him, then proceeded to prove the exact opposite. He wants to play a different way which doesn't suit Cesc and as it's proving really successful (not) he has to go. Obviously he was passed his peak blah blah blah but I'm proud he played for us. I never felt he wanted to be back at Arsenal and actually felt he cared about playing for Chelsea. And I don't get that feeling with most of our players sadly. He looked genuinely upset yesterday. Top pro, intelligent and articulate with vast experience and a truly gifted player. A real gem let go too early. Never mind, we'll get some mediocre nobody in who promises much and delivers nothing, but it doesn't matter, as long as he's under 30. :-((((((
  16. 4 points
    We are as far as I can recall the only club who's manager "had" to appear on TV to highlight the fact that we never got penalties . I've been banging on about bias and manipulation of league results on here for donkeys years and get laughed out of the place constantly . We even had a Premier League referee come out and admit they were encouraged to "manage games" and that he had "managed" our game against Spurs by failing to book any of their players which enabled them to kick us all over the park and led to the club being fined for "failing to control" their players when the crimes were all of Spurs concoction. There is no doubt in my mind that SKY , the Premier League and the PGMOL are in this together , manipulating games where they can to ensure ratings are high and kept high , the written media desperate for anything resembling a story , gobble any scrap they are thrown and again I am certain they are also being "influenced" to write up their reports in a certain light to maintain the narrative . Now it appears as well as not getting penalties that City , Liverpool , Spurs and United get we are now also being denied marginal offside decisions that would lead to goals for the other sides mentioned but not for us. It's difficult to disallow a marginal goal for Liverpool or Spurs or United when the media will highlight it , not so difficult to do the same for Chelsea when literally nobody is interested other than us . We as a club should start highlighting what is happening but we won't in the misguided thought that if we are nice and play by the rules then everyone else will . I'd put my mortgage on the fact that if we came up with half the strokes City were pulling in regards to FFP we'd be serving a lengthy ban now . The club really needs to start standing up for themselves instead of trying to be the good guys all the time. Mike Riley , the man who almost murdered Petr Cech , booking him as he crawled off the pitch with a fractured skull at Reading , was promoted to the head of the PGMOL and it is his philosophy of game management that is allowing the results of the game to be manipulated , he should be sacked immediately and prosecuted for fraud in my opinion . The laws of the game should be applied evenly not applied in whichever way the ratings won't suffer . I cannot see how any right minded supporter cannot see that we are simply not being dealt a fair hand in this from all sides of the media , the public have been constantly manipulated by false accusations and made up stories to see us as the anti Christ of football clubs whether it's our club being owned by a Russian henchman of Putin , Our Captain being racist , his family dealing drugs and stealing , our players cheating , diving and being dirty . These things are played out on a daily basis , every media story is slanted to make us look bad , stupid or both . It's a campaign , and it's working , and the club are taking it laying down .
  17. 4 points
    I am not trying to sound patronising here but have you had the oppotunity to watch him live? I ask as I have witnessed most of his performances owing to my season ticket and ability to go to most of our games away as well. From my perspective Bats all round game is really really poor. I say this as he is an incrediably static forward, as he makes hardly any discernable runs off the ball, his close controll is average at best and he is not able to hold the ball up either. For me, the only way he makes it here is if we go two up front and tell him to literally play the width of the posts and try to only play between the penalty spot and six yard area as he only real quality of note is his finishing. Honestly, when I see him play I struggle to think of a forward that has been as poor as him and have to go back to Furlong. As Kezman at least had an ability to get around and make a bit of a nuisance of himself. Furthermore, this playing style of his also explains why he has been noticeable booed by Chelsea fans before and his substitution celebrated because whilst he has decent stats these mask his all round game. This constrast with Morata who whilst having poor stats generally gets the backing of the crowd (bar the back end if last season when he kept falling down) as he does a lot of good work off the ball that is not necessarily noticed. Now do not get me wrong, Morata needs to go through a remarkable up turn or be replaced. However, Bats is in no way or shape the answer.
  18. 4 points
    I don't think disliking Liverpool has anything to do with the city. After all, there are lots of decent Everton fans there. I may make jokes about it being the world's largest open prison, but it's a joke, not meant to be taken seriously. What I hate about Liverpool (as an English football institution) is its hypocrisy and sanctimony. Liverpool was a very average side until the late 1950s. However, they were bankrolled by the Moores and became very successful. As a result, vast numbers of people from all over the country began to support them because they were successful especially in the pro-Merseyside culture of the 60s. We would call them JCLs. Their "history" is really not that different to that of Man Utd. Man Utd were also a very average side until the 50s when they were bankrolled by the Gibsons and the Edwards. However, like Liverpool's promotion of themselves as part of the "Merseyside" culture, Man Utd's success is as much to do with the Munich Air Disaster as what happened on the pitch. This is how history is. Collections of events have unexpected outcomes. When the likes of LFC and MUFC fans talk of lack of history and glory hunters, it is the height of hypocrisy. Their fans are as much JCLs as everyone else, it just happened at a different time. Their fans have no more "class" than the fans of any other club because the fan base reflects the society from which it is drawn and is not specific to a particular club or clubs. The problem with sides like Man Utd and Liverpool is that they mythologise their past. They present the current state of affairs as the way it has always been. They forget that the big clubs of the pre-war period were the likes of Everton, Arsenal, Newcastle and, for a short period, Huddersfield. I am not saying they had no success but that they were not dominant. Moreover, because of their rise in support, vast numbers of the commentators and pundits also support one or other of those sides and they reinforce the mythology because of self-interest. Pundits are useful when they can present the "inside track" of a club. Of course, commercial interests kick in as well. Everyone knows that organisations that have a commercial interest in the game, seek to reinforce their position by promoting popular outcomes. UEFA do it with the CL and FIFA with the World Cup. The FA and the Premier League have an interest in promoting the interests of clubs with more support over those with less because that enhances their TV revenues. Even PGMOL know this. The consequence is that Liverpool and Man United have become a pernicious institution. We broke that down for a while (as have Man City) but not for long enough for the gravity not to reassert itself and we will probably return to the previous arrangements. However, I reserve my greatest ire for LFC because of the sense of victimhood that emanates from that club in particular. It is always someone else's fault even to the point of farce. Many Chelsea fans remember the LFC chief executive pointing out the London accents at Heysel and suggesting that it must be Chelsea fans causing the problems. As a result, I fully expect "death threats to Karius" being blamed on rogue Chelsea supporters pretending to be LFC fans. I accept that we have some nasty elements in our support because we have some nasty elements in society. I contend that the problem with LFC as a club is that it does not accept the same - that they have fans who are vile. They focus on the victimhood. I see clubs like Bradford, Rangers and so on who have experienced disasters in the past holding respectful commemorations of those tragedies, but not on the scale of LFC who expect every club in the country to mourn their loss while conveniently ignoring the death of 26 fans from Juventus, let alone the casual violence and the destruction of property. And yet, LFC is promoted as a bastion of saintly virtue. "Those Anfield Nights..." that are truly no different to any other club. I hear the reverence in soft tones of the "history and tradition" of the club. It is not their right to history and tradition I reject but their right to denigrate mine. It comes to a point where the punk in me wants my club to promote ideas that do not have the soft, cloying smell of sanctimony that so often emanates from its hallowed portal.
  19. 4 points
    Interesting that Rangers are considering St Stevie Me for the Manager's role next season. Shrewd. If anyone can prevent Brendan Rodgers winning a league title it's him 🙄
  20. 4 points
  21. 4 points
    I see Greg Clark from the FA has come out today and expressed concern that the general public has lost trust in the organisation! Well I can only speak for myself but I have always had about as much trust in the FA as I have for the bloke who keeps phoning me up asking about the accident I never had. But just to recap. The FA dragged John Terry over the coals, ruined his England career, humiliated him as much as they possible could over the claims that he muttered a racist slur on a football pitch after being elbowed in the head. No one heard this slur and no one saw it but a QPR fan said it looked a bit like it on telly. Terry was cleared in a court of law but the FA wanted their pound of flesh and they got....Terry's head on a plate. Now it appears that one of the FA's employees made unacceptable racist comments to England female footballer Aluko. The FA then quietly paid off Aluko on the condition that she kept her mouth shut. The only time she was to open it was to confirm that the FA was not a racist organisation . She said it felt like blackmail. JT is probably having a rye smile over this. He was one of the best English skippers in modern history and they hung him out to dry. Now this bunch of lying, self serving, hypocritical weasels know exactly how it feels to be tarred with a racist brush. And no we don't trust you. Never have never will. FIFA light is what you are.
  22. 4 points
    You have been harping on about patience for the entire window and now, at the end of a pretty disappointing window, you're still at the point where you think it matters if we sign 3 or 4 new players at the end of the window having seemingly missed out on (arguably) all of our top targets. Great. Good luck convincing me otherwise. The Premier League champions shouldn't lose 2 of its starters and head into the season with a paper thin squad then scramble 3-4 transfers over the line and suddenly rectify everything. Nope.. Not in the slightest. So you can kindly keep that thought about waiting all to yourself if its all well and good to be perfectly honest.
  23. 4 points
    Wow. So this is what desperation looks like huh? Shelvey and Andy Carroll... 😂😂😂
  24. 4 points
    I think I know who you're referring to. Must admit it's a delicious irony. All last season he was boring everybody shitless with his repetitive claims that Conte was useless and Mourinho was The Second Coming, yet Conte won the title against all odds and Mourinho finished 6th despite having the most expensive squad ever assembled in the history of football. Now, to top things off, his idol has signed Matic for 40 big ones plus another 10 in add-ons, the same Matic who we've been reliably told (again and again and again) is absolute garbage. And guess what? When Utd do far better next season he'll claim Matic has nothing to do with it. Lest we forget of course this is the same guy who thought Mikel was the reincarnation of Franz Beckenbauer. I wonder if he's ever got anything right on this site? Anyway, everyone's entitled to their opinion so let's not dwell on that. Many Chelsea fans are deeply unhappy that Matic was sold to Utd but I think if they were told at the start of the summer that we would get Conte's number 1 choice (after the unavailable Nainggolan) in Bakayoko and sell Matic to Utd for 50 big ones they would have accepted that. Matic may not be a genius (as Jose puts it) but as a holding midfielder he has few peers. When he first came he played in a 2 beside Fabregas with Oscar in the 10 role and Matic was incredible, a vast improvement over the lamentable Mikel. Remember he was playing beside Fabregas who offers practically nothing defensively yet we swept all before us, in a 4231 formation. Matic screened the defence expertly, allowing Fabregas to do his thing. That free-flowing football got sacrificed as teams worked out they could outnumber us in midfield (Matic was having to do the work of 2 people) and we battened down the hatches to win the title, often with Ramires taking Fabregas' place in away games. The season after that went horribly wrong and evidently Matic wasn't happy with something, and in fact he hardly played under Guus*. I think it's telling that Conte had to persuade him to stay last summer and this summer Matic wanted to re-join Mourinho. We don't know what went on behind the scenes in Jose's last season but we do know that Matic suits Jose's formation far more than he does Conte's. At Utd, Matic will hold but instead of Fabregas alongside him he'll have Herrera, and he'll have Pogba ahead of him making up the midfield. In other words, Jose will play Matic to his strengths and the player will be happy, and he'll have a bloody good season and be a vital member of the team. Under Conte Matic had to be more than just a holding player, and while he was good there are players out there that can perform that role better, such as Bakayoko we hope, who is a bit more all-action. Swapping Matic for Bakayoko undoubtedly suits Conte but unfortunately signing Matic undoubtedly suits Mourinho, both managers playing different formations. Jose wants a specialist holding player while Conte doesn't, that's the bottom line. We'll have to see who comes out on top. It will be intriguing. Utd will be our biggest challengers this season, because of their squad and the signing of Matic. Mourinho always wins the title in his 2nd season and it always goes tits-up in his third. If he doesn't win it this season he never will. However Conte is a far superior manager so I'm not worried, despite our inferior squad. City's squad is also superior but again our manager is better. Lots of angst and soul-searching in this thread but we'll be okay, I told you before that we would sign a top striker and so it's proved and I'm telling you now we will sign 2 or 3 more players and everybody will be happy, the priority being CM and LWB as I've said before. A RWB and a CF would also be nice. I'm very optimistic about our season. Our squad is already stronger than last season's, if only marginally. The bottom line is last season Conte only had 13 players he could trust. This season he already has 14, and you never know he might also trust Batshuayi and Christensen, and we haven't finished yet. We're getting rid of so many players so we can bring in players the manager wants. Sometimes you can't always conclude all of your business early. Last year we left things late with 1 or 2 and that worked out pretty good. There's no reason why the same can't happen this time. * I seem to recall Matic scoring at Sunderland and not celebrating. Something was definitely amiss.
  25. 4 points
  26. 4 points
    I find the fact that this debate is still rolling onwards depressing. Personally as I don't honestly care who shags who at the club provided that the players give their all on the field of play , Personally I wouldn't swap JT for another centre-half in the world at this moment. I'm sure the day will come when his body really starts to let him down , but at the moment it's not. Much of the impression we get of the personality of the players is shaped by the way the media portray them, particularly the written media. They can puff themselves up and hide behind their "journalism" all they like but they are shaped by their own petty club bias like many of us are. Danny Fullbrook is a Fulham fan so Chelsea are OK there, they haven't got some "used to be the big club in Fulham" chip on their Shoulder, ROb Shepherd is West Ham, the Custis brothers despite being Geordies seemingly worship at the alter of Fergie the list goes on. Talk sport are horrendously anti Chelsea and particularly anti JT , they bang on about teh morals of JT yet they employ Stan Collymore a shining expample of the polar opposite of how an upstanding citizen should lead their life. Throughout this World Cup the target message is Capelo is an idiot and that England need a clear out of the dead wood, the players who really didn't shine at the tournament , the palyers who really let the suporters down.John Terry and Frank Lampard. Take a moment for that to sink in, John Terry and Frank Lampard. NO mention of Rooney and his on screen anti England fan tirade , no mention of Stephen Gerrard and hsi fable 6 touches in the right position of the pitch against USA no metnion of Upson the Stevie WOnder of central defenders no mention of holding player par excellence Gareth Barry playing in the hole left for him by Gerrard s a holding winger. Despite him never having had a decent game in an England shirt , despite him having just as an "eventful" time off field and despite both his club side manager and his international manager not trusting him to play in his preferred centre midfield slot, Stephen Gerrard is imune from all criticism and the sole reason I can think is that he plays for Liverpool and media people of a certain age remember when Liverpool were good and love them for it. Gareth Barry as a footballer is not fit to lace the boots of the person who laces Frank Lampards boots yet despite him being the "holding" midfielder who lost the ball whilst "holding" near the corner flag , he gets to play but Frank who hit the bar and scored a wrongly disallowed goal has to go. I believe that Gareth BArry has been identified in the press as one of Stephen Gerrards best friends. For years and years and years Lampard has played the role of water carrier in the England squad to Gerrards maestro, Frank is an intelligent player who will do what you tell him to and take one for the team , Gerrard is an imbecile who wanders around the pitch like an Nomad with alzheimers. Gerrard can stay , Frank must go. I'm waiting for Capello to wake up to the cancer that is in Englands heart that is Stephen Gerrard , wherever he plays he ends up not there , lets drop him and see what Frank can do when he playus Frank in his preferred position and gives him players who understand their roles around him. The Sun are "after" Ashely Cole seemingly for the "crime" of cheating on celebrity oxygen thief and avowed non singer and nightclub boxer nations sweetheart Cheryl Tweedy , a girl so commited to a marriage she moved her mum into the marital house. This has nothing to do with Cole winning a libel case against The NOTW the Suns "slaggy sister" paper. I've tried redressing the balance , I've written to Talk SPort , they don't care, I've written to Football 365 where Sarah Winterburn a Liverpool supporter edits the mailbox whilst pretending she isn't a Liverpool supporter. The meida in this country have always hated Chelsea for whatever reason , no money, too much money, rowdy fans, quiet fans,Cavalier football, boring football, idiot manager , brilliant manager (same bloke - twice) I suppose my rant here really is that do not believe waht they say and print , believe what you see and hear with your own eyes I for one believe Wayne rooney has nothing but hatred for the Engalnd fans because I saw and heard him doing it, no amout of " A sourc eclose to Ashley showed us a text message" will convince me otherwise.
  27. 3 points
  28. 3 points
    You must have been watching a different game, or you dont have a clue what Sarriball is. I didn't see any Sarriball in that match. We ditched Sarriball a long time ago.
  29. 3 points
    There are some on here who's ability to break down games tactically leaves me in awe. I think all here have watched played and followed the game long enough to understand what's going on instinctively even if we can't express ourselves as well technically as the aforementioned tacticians. Differences of opinions regarding various players and coaches specifically at Chelsea but in general in the EPL and other leagues is normal and makes for interesting discussions and is part of forums such as ours. I do not get involved in some of the more "aggressive" discussions as I prefer to keep any confrontational situations confined to real life important issues but I do not resent the "infighting" that some here relish just not my way here. What I'm leading up to is that for all the discussions ref. "sarriball"..it's the players inability its Sarri's inflexibility..give him time /different players and on and on..the point is all the players involved are long term pro's and have been around long enough to grasp any tactics put to them....face it.."sarriball" IS being played but does not work on a regular basis in the EPL due to high level of application by coaches and players who by now have worked out the way to neutralize the system and nothing changes to present much of a problem to the better sides in the EPL. Remember when AVB was working under Jose and presented players with reams of paper laying out details of opposing players..I remember reading that most players just threw the reports in the trash. Take any say full back in the EPL. Bertrand at Soton for example...after playing in the EPL do you really think he needs to be told how Sterling Hazard and any player he faces regularily play? Change the players for Sarri and the same conclusion will occur..it's not a system to change the EPL anymore than Conte's back three system will last over a period of time..it's a flexible game graced by individuals who can lift us to our feet with outrageous moments of skill and make any system look silly. We do not have a good coach let down by players..we have good players not given leadership that works from the coach.... the job of a coach is to present successful results on the pitch..once excuses are sought to explain failure then the man is finished however good a track record he may have. By this time next week we may be out of all cup competitions with nothing to show for the season..relegation will not be an issue but unless a new path is chosen soon Chelsea will be lost back in the pack.
  30. 3 points
    Here he comes the Edward scissorhands of posters - like sarri taking notes during a games he comes flying out of the traps dissecting everyone's posts.
  31. 3 points
    Not that I am against the Klopp love-in (even though I am) but, seriously, the players he chose were no-brainers. He just had a lot more money to spend and far less of a bumbling transfer chief than us. I mean, Allisson was chased by us as well, VVD everyone wanted, Shaqiri was always a good squad filler, Fabinho and Keita have flopped (these were the only 2 risky transfers)... The guy acquired 3 players that were no-brainers. The problem is that Chelsea do a lot of unnecessary haggling. I mean, we buy Kepa who may one day grow into the role but play hard ball with Allissons valuation, we buy Emerson instead of Sandro, Giroud instead of Dzeko, Morata instead of Lukaku, Bakayoko and Drinkwater instead of Oxlade-Chamberlain, stick with Giroud instead of taking Higuain on loan... That is a whole lot of failed transfers. A whole lot of decisions that were utter mistakes. Now, we're arguably going to lose CHO and RLC as well because we hired a manager who has a history of being stubborn and rigid. All for Kovacic - a player who is clearly not that great and on loan! If the club wanted someone to play poor football, ignore the future players, outcast half the squad, and complain a whole lot to the media then we were much better off sticking with Conte. At least Conte was successful! The club needs to start holding people accountable. Heads need to roll because we are well and truly stagnating as a club. We have gone from competing every year with City and United for league titles to basicallly competing with Arsenal and a hugely regressed United while still spending comparable amounts to Liverpool and City. The problem is the manager is blamed every year.
  32. 3 points
    No reason to bring race or religion into a football match ever. No reason to make threats or be seriously abusive either. There's a pretty clear line between passion and bigotry, and if you think football is an excuse to do the latter, kindly **** off with all the other Neanderthals to the next EDL march. I don't care what has or has to happened tonight or at the weekend - I've seen racism first hand at Chelsea on multiple occasions, we all know it happens so I 100% believe the reports and I'm 100% sick of it - we're not alone, I know, but if we actually care we should start by taking a stand against the minority of scumbags in our own supporter base.
  33. 3 points
    One of those players I would loved to have seen here in his prime. My little boy is called Luca, and the Mrs doesn't know why (shush)
  34. 3 points
    Very good. Incidentally, Droy still dreams of being the second Mrs Jose.
  35. 3 points
    The last two managers have both clearly stated they don't buy the players . Both of them . One repeatedly . Sarri has even fleshed the process out for the hard of thinking in saying he tells the club the type of player he needs and the attributes they should have and leaves it to them to identify and sign them. Believing that Conte was to blame for the desperate signings of multiple injured players was just another stick to beat him with when he shouldered the entire blame for a poor season where everyone failed at their jobs , from the board through the playing staff.
  36. 3 points
    I'd looked after myself and at 58 could do 5 miles in 33 minutes, 10k in around 44 minutes and had a job in a timber yard carrying 24 ft lengths of 9x3. Three years later after an immune disease, I can't run more than 50 yards and can't do a press up. Lost nearly 60 years of fitness at a stroke. If you've got it, enjoy it people, you never know what's around the corner. Its FA cup day and we're in it. Got to enjoy it if you are a fan. Come on you Blues!!
  37. 3 points
    The whole point of signing Salah, De Bruyne, Lukaku and even Shurrle was to not take it 1 season at a time; but produce a squad of players for a large number of seasons. That's around £250-300M worth of players that we got for peanuts, our so called business plan of buying the next big talent was thrown into the shredder; and yes, by a manager who thought about his own trophy list before he self destructs. Salah improves any team at any time. Well Hazard certainly needs rotation now, and would actually lose his place to Salah, we lack consistency from the likes of Hazard because we sold all his competition. The biggest frustration is we went from a club who everyone wanted to play for in the PL to everyone's feeder club. We've got far too many ex Chelsea players sitting in teams above us and producing better results than the players we currently have; it's beyond a joke. I'm not going to hide that I blame Jose too, in order to act the big man in the league he fed his own ego for quick fire results that cost us in the long run. The thing is it isn't Hindsight, it's frustration at the incompetency of the people who make decisions at the club. A club who is now making budget deals because they sold quality players who are now producing for our direct competition. Simply add De Bruyne, Salah, Mata, Lukaku to our team and we're up there with the elite in Europe; we gave away our own ability to be an elite team. Right now we'd be talking about 2 signings in defence and that's it, where as now we need to look at far more than that.
  38. 3 points
    You're thinking of someone else. Firstly I don't constantly run down our players (certainly no more than yourself) and I'm not running down Morata. I'm running down the board for not giving us adequate back up IF he struggles. Is that unreasonable? With regards to Morata here's my thoughts. We don't know yet do we? You can't judge a player on three games can you (for good or for bad?) but he hasn't filled me with confidence. He could be amazing then do his cruciate and be out for the season. He could just not adapt at all to the prem or our team. The back up is Bats or Remy. You talk about Costa and Drogba as success examples so I will give you Bats and Remy as my example. Anyway why do you need examples...we could go on all night exchanging players names who have turn out great or shite.. The sheer volume of games this season will be unlike last season so Morata can't play them all can he? Or maybe you think he's got superpowers? I just don't think our expectations of the lad should be too high or our whole season should rest on his shoulders. That will be the cue for people to come on here and rip him apart...he is indeed a human being. And secondly I don't eat Mars bars.
  39. 3 points
    I won't argue that our squad is perfect, I would make the point that as a club's level rises, so it becomes both easier to attract appropriate talent and paradoxically harder to find it. Our standards rise, so the pool we shop for players in, shrinks. No one is saying Drinkwater is Messi; but he is clearly a good player, who in better company, may become very good. I won't comment on Zappa as I don't know him. He obviously wasn't top choice - but neither was Alonso and that turned out ok. As to why no Sandro or players of that level - well, we should be flattered that clubs don't want to sell to us; why strengthen potential rivals. What we have is a strong group of 20 players, a great coach, passionate fans (?) and a committed owner. If the last few seasons show anything it's that our club 'works' and wins - and this 'got away with it' argument often made on this forum begins to wear thin. On the principle that one never knows what one actually looks like - try asking a few non-Chelsea fans you respect what they think; on the whole my mates still see us as strong contenders and threats to their clubs.
  40. 3 points
    I see what you did there, clever. I think, however, she may only drinkwater.
  41. 3 points
    Not posted in a while as every time I go a day or two without checking the forum this thread seems to have jumped forward 20 pages. Finally managed to catch up so thought I would post a lengthy one with a few thoughts about the last couple of weeks so bear with me. First of all on Lukaku, I am actually very relieved we have avoided this one as whilst I do think he is a decent Premier League striker I do not think he has the capability to lead the line for a team with European and title winning objectives. He did impress me at times last season but it was almost always against bottom of the table fodder. He scored 4 vs Sunderland, 4 vs Bournemouth and also got a brace against Hull when they were already down to 10 men. Contrast this against his performances vs the big sides where he would often be invisible for 90 minutes. Going back a few years the moment I thought his Chelsea career was in serious danger was when he came on as a sub vs Bayern in the Super Cup as a young striker with much to prove against tiring legs. He was dreadful in this game, everything that was played into him bounced back, he barely broke a sweat and then missed a penalty in the shootout. Now despite his obvious improvements since then I saw the exact same performance and attitude in multiple games last season. I was especially disappointed with his performances home and away against us and away at Liverpool sticks in my memory as well. He is likely to score 15+ goals over the course of a season but is he really the player you want leading the line in big European games? Last season Ibra carried that United team for most of the year but when he got injured it became clear that his limitations were actually hindering the team as a whole. Their dominant performance against us at Old Trafford was only possible due to the high intensity pressing and movement they had with Rashford and Lingard. Forwards such as Ibra (current version), Giroud and Lukaku have very clear strengths and weaknesses and are all good players to have in your squad but can all be contained with the right system. I think you will struggle to win much with these players as teams will find ways to nullify their qualities and force them to play in areas in which they are uncomfortable. Azpi and Luiz completely suffocated him last season and he barely touched the ball in either game. Lukaku may be built like a Drogba type striker but I have always thought he is a much closer resemblance to Torres. He requires space to run into and is much more comfortable with the ball played ahead of him rather than with his back to goal. It will be the case that at times Jose’s style of play will suit him and also the way Conte played much of last season would utilise this as well. The problem is it limits us to this style of play meaning we will struggle to evolve. When we come up against a Burnley wall with 10 players behind the ball we will need to be cute and precise which is not really within his capabilities. Also if Conte ever does leave and we bring in another manager we may find ourselves with a big square peg. There has also been much talk about whether or not he was our first choice. A couple of weeks ago I was reading that Conte was furious because he wanted Morata and Emenalo was pushing for Lukaku but as soon as we are not signing Lukaku, Conte is apparently on the verge of leaving because of his anger. It’s impossible to know for sure but I personally feel strongly that Lukaku is not a Conte player. He famously will not shut up about how he needs his players to work, work, work and this is not Lukaku’s game at all. Lukaku tends to save his energy for around the box but compare this to Costa who even on a bad day will still give any centre back nightmares by harassing and pressing all game. Costa still scores the goals but what he brings to the team is so much more important, this is why I have been firmly in the Costa / Morata / Belotti camp from the beginning. There seems to be a big split on Morata and I can understand why as the fees being talked about are very high. Despite this I think that bar Aubameyang he is the single best option. I love his all round game, he's an excellent dribbler, great hold up play, good passer and he’s developing into a very good finisher whilst being superior to Costa in the air already. His numbers are not elite just yet and I will admit his second season at Juve wasn’t great but it’s well documented the issues he had that year. He totally lost form and admitted being affected by personal issues of which can happen to any young player playing abroad. There were also politics regarding the buy back clause and whether or not Real would pay it. I would recommend reading this interview from a couple months back, some very interesting comments on Conte as well. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/12/alvaro-morata-real-madrid-bayern-munich This is a player that scored both home and away against Dortmund in CL knockout round, home and away vs Real in CL semi and against Barca in the final as well. Even in his disappointing 15/16 he scored the winner in the Copa final vs Milan, he is a player with clear quality and talent who has shown that he can perform on the biggest occasions. It is no embarrassment to fail to break into that Madrid side and I honestly feel he is on the verge of a huge season in the right environment. His scoring record last year was insane and if you include internationals he scored 27 with a goal every 66 minutes. Some might argue this was mostly against inferior sides but he has already shown he can perform on the big stage in the past and last year he wasn’t exactly given the opportunity due to clashes with Ronaldo. The added bonus with Morata is even when he isn’t scoring he has an all round game that will bring more out of our other players especially Hazard and Cesc who will relish his ability to play in tight spaces. I tend to try and forget about the fee because it’s impossible for us to buy a proven striker sub £50mill anyway whilst long term I think he has the highest ceiling of all the potential signings due to this all round game.
  42. 3 points
    Point of information James, Belotti is 23. Younger than Lukaku. He also scored 30 odd goals in a mid table Serie A team last season (a league where reaching those sort of numbers in a season is rare to say the least.) I'd say that makes him an option very much worth investigating. Lukaku is far from the only option out there. Especially at the prices being talked about.
  43. 3 points
    Once again , he's not narcissistic because he's wearing club clothing you wilful idiot , he's narcissistic because it was the sole occasion in the season he chose to do so , in order to mock the people who supported him in the past. He made it about him , he made the European victory about him , he's a narcissist. Great manager (you can edit this bit ) a fantastic servant to our club ( and this) but a narcissist. Jilted John was an hilarious comedy creation , but he had nothing on the continued comedy of your own fabrication.
  44. 3 points
    Rubbish. If Conte wins 3 PL titles , he will get plenty of attention and already we're witnessing the players loving Contes approach. It must be killing you not to have got behind him from the start. You didn't want him before he joined , when he joined or after he joined and you are yet to give him any direct praise on this forum despite your protestations to contrary. Conte is well respected in the world of football having been both an exceptional footballer and did a fantastic job at both club and country before turning our fortunes around and managing the side to equalling the longest winning streak in football history. I'm sure he can make do without the support of an internet ninja.
  45. 3 points
    Is he working you with his foot?
  46. 3 points
    A note to the Moderators...Jose is manager at "another club"..a lot of the players discussed here are at another club. I, for one, see JM as an opponent now. Surely it's time this subject was transferred to the "Non Chelsea" section.
  47. 3 points
    the clearest display of anti Chelsea media was Saturday's MOTD. When reviewing the Chelsea game, they were pretty unamimous that Costa should have got a second yellow, and they also reviewed the foul on Adrian from the Monday saying that was also a second yellow. Then, literally minutes later they review LEI v ARS and when Coquelin commits a clear second yellow, the reaction is, "well we don't want to see players sent off" It literally couldn't have been more blatant. One rule for us. Oh, and how much time was given to the handball by the Watford defender?
  48. 3 points
    Is there any point in all this. The only thing that these circular arguments achieve is to bore the pants off the rest of us and boost your post count. Any new transfer talk around?
  49. 3 points
    If the board had the chance to cripple the first team in the pursuit of money they'd have done it.
  50. 3 points
    Funny thing is, I keep hearing people ask why we can't unearth a player like Marhez or Mane who were unknown here and cost relatively little, yet when we sign an unknown centre half for 3.5m people start questioning our transfer policy.