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  1. Taking The Pee Out Of Liverpool (For Khobar) They've reversed the decision.
  2. Taking The Pee Out Of Liverpool (For Khobar) Tbf Jamie Carragher has stuck his boot in on Twitter. I'd be absolutely horrified and very vocally critical of Chelsea FC if it furloughed any staff at this point.
  3. Coronavirus COVID-19

    Has there been any talk of organising a time for us to rewatch a classic game online with a 'match day forum' thread? Just spent a few hours watching Chelsea-United from 1999 with my usual pre-match pint pal. Any appetite for that here? Some decent options and quick sign up here.
  4. Coronavirus COVID-19

    But ... It clearly is? Because you (and others), take exception to some ways of doing it but not others? I don't think I've missed any point, that is literally what has been happening in this thread; China's way of killing animals bad, 'our' way of killing animals not bad. I mean, I agree the dog markets are absolutely horrific. I'm also enraged and saddened by, for example, Japanese whale and shark fishing. I'm not advocating some form of moral relativism whereby 'culture' explains away these practices. I do think though we need to be critical about how and why narratives about certain countries spread, and especially when those narratives are ones that could easily be applied to 'us' from a different perspective. I'm not sure a featherless chicken that has never seen sunlight and lives in another chicken's excrement would agree that free range or not free range isn't a big deal.
  5. Media / Press Hate it when politicians use footballers as low hanging fruit. What about hedge fund managers, Matt? Or is it only certain kinds of ludicrously wealthy people you'll dig out?
  6. Coronavirus COVID-19

    Doesn't this line just demonstrate how pointless an argument this is? I'm not going to get on anyone's case for eating meat. I did for years, and even now I'm just veggie rather than vegan and can't come even close to claiming I universally make 'ethical' consumer choices, if they are even a thing (they aren't imo, but that doesn't make anyone a bad person). Seems absolutely daft to me though to have an argument about the moral rights and wrongs of how to kill animals on a mass scale to eat, from a starting point of it being morally fine to kill animals on a mass scale to eat. Just shows we're arguing the toss over opinions and nothing even close to practical or objective realities, no matter how much anyone asserts otherwise. I'm sure there are Chinese PETA members aghast at British battery farms, where chickens live in darkness and basically on top of each other. It would suit them to focus on that over their dog markets. On a different topic, changed up my running route this morning to make sure with my own eyes that Stamford Bridge is still standing. It is, as is the Finbourough Arms!
  7. Coronavirus COVID-19

    While we're putting our individual two pennies in, I really struggle with perspective like this and even as a bedwetting, Guardian-reading vegetarian. There isn't, or at least imo should not be, any sense of species collective responsibility for some of man's most egregious moral crimes. Lots of humans don't have the power to 'inflict' anything on anyone. I'd not, for example, be lumping the child soldiers of Sierra Leone in with their militia recruiters or Syrian civilians in with Assad. I think you're on a hiding to nothing when you start trying to arrange tragedies and injustices into a hierarchy, tbh. Up to a certain point it seems easy and then after that it says much more about the your values than anything else. Each of us will have those emotional buttons most pushed by something different to the next person.
  8. Coronavirus COVID-19

    I don't know if it's necessarily about denying those two countries are generous with the truth so much as it is about being critical of them being positioned as exceptions. Can't say I know what the government where you are are doing in response, but here we have eyebrows being raised by changing methods in how deaths are recorded and how the advice on the website often changes without any sort of version control that acknowledges different (sometimes directly contrary) advice was there just a few days or hours earlier. In terms of the UK, I'm inclined to think issues like those are less about cover-ups and more about a fractured, localised silo way of working across local authorities and health trusts with a healthy dollop of cabinet incompetence thrown in for good measure. I think the same will be true for lots of countries, but in some cases the story of deliberate and nefarious cover-ups is a more attractive way to interpret actions. The government here wasn't at all critical of China's handling or sharing of information until it started getting so much heat from WHO and mainland Europe about how inadequate its ' herd immunity' response had been, and then suddenly Michael Gove is ringing up journalists to criticise China. I fully expect China has, one way or another, mislead its people and the world on coronavirus. But they won't be alone in that, and other culprits will very happily deflect valid criticism aimed at them by pointing at China.
  9. Media / Press

    Absolutely bizarre how little negative press this club attracts when it constantly (and often proudly) does such awful stuff. At least the other media darling-type clubs often have someone standing away from the crowd making angry, partisan potshots at them. Spurs nab a load of state money they don't need and essentially endorse anti-semitism and ... Nothing. Don't especially care, just don't get it. Is it just because no one serious considers them a threat?
  10. Coronavirus COVID-19

    I'm in Acton in west London, working from home. Getting up early most days to get a 10k run in before there's even modest traffic. Toying with the idea of going for a bigger run later in the week; feels far too long since I saw Stamford Bridge so may run past it!* Haven't got the same beautiful scenery here to photograph and share with anyone, but do have a cat that seems to have very quickly gone off the idea of having it's owners home with it 23 hours a day! *Edit: just checked, a 13.5km round route. That's my Friday morning sorted!
  11. New Stadium Plans

    Why would the Earl's Court site suddenly be in a buyer's market but the Stamford Bridge site still firmly in the seller's? We're all guessing really, but I think the move/redevelopment is over and has been for nigh-on a year. And I think we can count ourselves lucky; imagine if we'd started work and Stamford Bridge was now just a hole in the ground. I don't think we can assume that property development and consumer behaviour is going to go back to what it was in January 2020, either quickly or ever again. Not in a 'doomsday' sense, more that every so often something happens that changes the way we do things.
  12. Media / Press

    Oh, I'm not concerned for them; I'm very much a pinko lefty and have advocated for universal basic income for many years. On a forum where being overtly political doesn't get you an immediate a ticking off I might have added an "oh well, f**k 'em" for effect! It was simply a musing on how practical/convenient wage cuts would be for footballers. Nationalise sports! To link back to the media though, the BBC are today reporting that PL and Championship clubs are contemplating furloughing their playing squads ... Anyone understand enough of the process to explain what that could mean?
  13. Media / Press

    I do find myself wondering how easily absorbed huge wage cuts would be for even the wealthiest footballers. The easy, and tbf probably often correct, assumption would be that most PL and above level players would still very comfortably live in luxury on 30% of their wage. But I imagine there will be plenty of them mortgaged to the hilt and who lifestyles and wealth hinges on steady cashflow to prop up other ventures. Not that I necessarily have that much sympathy for those in that situation, but in practical terms I can imagine many very wealthy footballers would find themselves in huge financial difficulty (if not poverty by any means!) with even short-lived wage cuts and would strongly oppose them. I wonder if earning less might even mean being more able to absorb cuts by virtue of having fewer fingers in pies ... Give the PL trophy to the NHS imo!
  14. Transfer Talk Topic

    lol, we aren't signing any of those players. Now, if we sign sh*te 3rd rate versions of them from Serie A instead ...
  15. Coronavirus COVID-19

    The song is about 20 years old itself!