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  1. I think you are. You sure about that?
  2. but a goal in 5 mins doesn't help a performance. And really their first goal needs no forensic examination....hand ball /off side - clear as day. At least Wenger got his contract.
  3. Well I will say this. Can you imagine if that goal happened up the other end and won us the game. How would the media have reacted to that situation? And reversely, how would they have reacted if it was an Arsenal player that dived for a pen? And I will ask the question....would that player have been sent off? Antonio has yet to see the worst of our press or the worse of our reffing. He's in for a treat.
  4. Spot on. There's a dodgy explanation but no one outside of this club will talk about it or or demand an explanation. The lino got it right but was quickly talked out of it. Conspiracy is probably too big a word. Blatant bias probably fits the bill. As mentioned before his eyesight was pretty good for the Moses dive.
  5. To this poster Dave I would say "put up or shut up". Show me the posts...the vitriol against Conte (he got some stick after Arsenal game from ALL quarters but never vitriol) , the revelling when things go badly for Conte and well for Mourinho. Apparently these comments are not far back so I'd like to see them and join in the condemnation. Just make-believe to enforce a terrible point. A lie in fact.
  6. I'll try and answer these in order: 1) Quite frankly anyone.... but Dave is the obvious answer.....believe it or not he is actually at RB. We then have the issue of who do we play at left back. I'll come to that later. 2) Exactly. Getting clued up tactically is about trying new systems with what personnel you have in games that are not crucially important. Why not try Ake as the anchor of a back three in pre season for 45 mins? He might find something interesting about the player. Are you suggesting Ake has no future at this club? He's tried the player since in the back three and he has much potential in my eyes. 3) Optimistic? maybe - but delusional ... I hope not. Better than a RB at LB and an aging CB with no legs at RB. That's what made me cringe. Liverpool and Arsenal games made to cringe AND cry. Not a hope in hell you say... based on what experience? If Luiz had sustained an injury mid season who would be your anchor? No one? Conte must have had a plan B so why not try it pre season or in a cup game. 4) I didn't miss it. He must have been very close to full fitness or he wouldn't have played 90 mins in that cup game. He had been with us since transfer deadline day (Aug 31st). I assume he had been in summer training somewhere but I have no details of that. This was a £23 million player who looked far fitter and match ready than Ivanovic yet he warmed the bench for best part of a month. Ake was another potential left back and I would probably have kept Kennedy for cover. 5) Yes 14 ...I counted them. I would put it to you that ALL these games were important to a new manager. Vital in fact when assessing players and formations. Obvs the PL was our big target so they are the ones to take fewer chances but he had opportunities. Your argument is that he had no opportunities and I'm just not buying that. I don't want to labour the point but there were quite a few voices screaming for a formation change after the Pool game (and even before). Whether the players were available /fit/ clued up with system is not entirely clear... I'll give you that. I don't think that your voice was one of them calling for change or at the very least saying "the change will come when players are ready". Is this what's griping you?
  7. Thanks for your detailed post which as usual is intelligent and reasoned, but I still think you are putting a slightly different spin on that crucial early part of the season to the way I see it. I maintain he could and should have changed earlier. And more than anything he could and should have dropped Ivanovic at the very start of the season (without changing the system). He could have checked the vids for the previous season, seen it first hand in pre season and seen it again (if he really needed to ) in our first few prem games and EPL games. For me it is not a coincidence that our great run started once he had gone....a combination of this player dropped and a new system. It looks like we are rehashing this argument which seems a bit silly seeing as we are champions and clearly have the best manager in the league but I will make these points. I just had a quick at our fixtures for last season. We has 6 preseason games and 7 games proper before Arsenal game. I include cup games because these are just the sort of games to try out a new system. The Hull game was the first game he played 3 at the back over 90 mins. That was his 15th game in charge! So when could he have experimented? Well certainly in the league cup game against Leicester in between Liverpool and Arsenal fixtures...what an opportunity. But a little look at the system could have taken place in our pre season fixtures. That pre season was a bit dodgy. We won three and lost three. You surely must agree that even if we didn't have the ideal personnel, if 3-4-3 was in his mind for this season, playing 45 mins in one of these games with a back 3 might have been illuminating? I'll give you examples of the possible 3 he could have tried earlier (and yes I think Ivanovic could have played ok in a back 3). Dave- Terry- Cahill Ivanovic-.Cahill- Dave Dave -Terry- Ake (or Dave - Ake- Terry) Ivanovic- Ake- Dave Ivanovic- Terry- Dave Ivanovic- cahill- Terry I'm pretty sure we have subsequently used at least one of these systems this season. I also recall a fit Alonso spending an awful lot of time on the bench when we could have played a back four of Dave Terry Cahill Alonso . Many of us at the time time were saying "why has he bothered spending good money on a proper left back to sit him on the bench". Now we can point at our PL trophy and say "who cares" and actually I don't now, but that was an unpleasant worrying 14 games for me. It could have been vital but in the end it wasn't.
  8. Not sure. Beg has gone to Bourmouth.
  9. Never was a stadium so united!
  10. Begovic has gone
  11. it will take two defeats at the start of next season and all the "Wenger out" banners will come out of mothballs. This has put a right smile on my face.
  12. Looks like Wenger has got his new two year deal!! Every cloud an all that....
  13. The point of my post wasn't really to hash over old arguments about whether his change to a back three could have been done sooner....I think we've had that argument many times before. The point was to indicate when I'd been supportive of Conte and when I hadn't because my name had been brought up in relation to that. I am also pretty sick and tired of some posters (not you) who think that if you have been appreciative of Mourinho's football achievements at this club, you have no right be appreciative of what Conte is doing. The accusation being that you would revel and enjoy Conte failing and then dance in the street should Mourinho win the title. This is insulting, ignorant and inflammatory and the reason why this thread has so often degenerated into a slanging match. Whilst I agree that he can be annoying to us when managing another team, we rather liked it when he was on our side annoying the opposition fans (well I did anyway). And sections of our crowd telling him to "feck off" when he visits here is hardly going to stop him having a sly dig at us when he can squeeze one's a self for-filling prophesy we are creating. However you have managed to drag me into the old formation argument, so I will say this. Your tactical knowledge of the game far exceeds mine which is why I always read your posts with interest and try to absorb certain points you make. You also have a good knowledge of Conte and Italian football which most on here don't. But I feel I am on pretty solid ground here and feel you are overly protecting Conte from criticism. I don't think the timing of the switch was all part of a timed master plan. Conte should and could have made the switch sooner. Maybe not the first few games of the season while we were finding our feet but certainly sooner than he did. He has admitted that he worked on the new system in close season (without Alonso and Luiz). So whether he was a 4-2-4 merchant at Juve or not this system was in his thoughts. Ivanovic was stinking out the joint at RB and was only very marginally better than the disaster he was the season before, yet here he was week in week out. Even before the Liverpool and Arsenal games many of us were predicting the wheels were about to come off. I think it was Dave that even suggested Moses as WB before it even happened. I can't tell you Zaffo the exact point he should have changed it because I can't remember exactly how each of those early games went, or when Luiz and Alonso were fit and ready. The only thing I can say with 100% certainty is that he should and could have done it before the Arsenal game. I say this because he didn't make the switch after that game (as you said) but during it. Are you telling me that the system wasn't quite ready before the Arsenal game but it was suddenly fit for purpose at half time? It wasn't just the lost points- losing to Liverpool and Arsenal in such a manor was incredibly painful and you will never ever convince me that the results and the performance wouldn't have improved if he had implemented the system changes before those games. I said at the time that if we lose the title or fourth place by 2 points we will regret those two games. As it happened it was irrelevant (although painful at the time). Conte does deserve fantastic credit for what happened after this point. He is a brilliant manager in my mind (but not infallible). I would also put Mourinho in that category. We have been blessed.
  14. Until this game I thought we might have turned a corner with refs but I think we could be back to square one next season. Taylor was eagle eyed enough to spot the dive but failed to see a blatant hand ball from 5 yards in his direct line of vision. And the little chat with the lino was about what exactly? ..."Yes Tony he was clearly off side then he ran to address the ball pulling Courtois off his line and sneakily letting Sanchez (who had thrown the ball to him in the first place) nip in to score. To allow that goal would be an outrage but it is Chelsea and I'm not sure the FA wants JT to get his dirty hands on their pride and joy before he retires, so we'll call it a goal". Normality resumes.
  15. If I may jump in here. My concern after sacking JM was "who are we going to get?". These concerns were shared by many posters as we have not always chosen wisely in the past. Once Conte was hired I was actually pretty excited. Watching him at the World Cup with Italy I made comments here that I couldn't wait for him to start. I loved his commitment and his personality. Once he did start I was worried about the formation we were using which meant the continual inclusion of Ivanovic at RB. More than anything this player seemed to be a weak link in our chain. I was expecting a 3 at the back from the start but didn't get it. Moreover although we were winning games we seemed shaky and disjointed. We got Luiz and Alonso at some point so what were we waiting for? Apparently we were waiting for the disaster of Liverpool and Arsenal where Conte said enough is enough. I will mention here that the criticism of Conte after these games came from all quarters. Anti Mourinho posters such as Blue Rod were laying into Conte with the best of them. My only strong criticism ever of Conte was that he should of made that tactical switch sooner because it became clear after the switch how well it worked. Had we lost valuable ground in the race for fourth place or even the title by persisting with a back four including Ivanovic? Who was to know at that point that we would go on such an incredible run of winning games...not one of us could have predicted how brilliantly the switch would work. I was elated that it did and fortunately other teams faltered while we climbed the league. I'm fully behind Conte and wouldn't never want JM back in his place, although I will defend JM against what I see as unnecessary bile and ingratitude. I have no idea where that put's me in the eyes of other posters or what sticker they want to place on me. I'm Chelsea first everything else second.
  16. Horrible game. Really disappointed but had a sneaky feeling this was going to happen (though not to this extent). The team has done so well this season it is hard to critisise them but you must call a spade a spade. This was a cup final. A chance of a historic double and the players (and perhaps Conte) fluffed their lines. Right from minute one we were miles of the pace. We had some very very poor individual performances. It wasn't good enough in every sense. But the title is ours and this may just give Wenger another two years....every cloud!
  17. You will have to be more specific about which certain individuals you are talking about, and even if you were specific I couldn't second guess how some posters would react to this scenario. Personally any significant improvement on last season would have been gratefully received; but ultimately Chelsea are about winning the title and that's what will be expected of all managers who come here whether it be Conte, Mourinho ,AVB or anyone else. We are not Arsenal FC. Another question for you then. Do you think it's possible (and reasonable) to support, respect and appreciate Conte while at the same time support,admire and respect what Mourinho achieved for this club? Are you allowed to do both or should you then be accused of being some kind of Mourinho fanboy love interest who now wants United to dominate the league just to prove a point? I would not have Mourinho back here because his time with us is done and we have moved on with a new man. But I still think he is a good manager with a lot to offer other clubs. He has had a reasonable first season with United and got them into the CL all be it through the back door. You will have to direct me to these bitter and lamentable posts following his departure but if your suggestion was that some support Mourinho rather than Chelsea you are indeed being both stupid and insulting. Ultimately we all want what's best for our club.
  18. really? Chelsea supporters do you mean? If so, do you think the possibility of meeting Mourinho in the later stages of the CL next season and maybe losing to him is an appealing thought to any of us? (even if he has a cutesy smile and a cheeky little turn of phrase). Do me a favour. Horrible result, stupid suggestion.
  19. It was a rumour and quite a strong one, and quite frankly would anyone on here be shocked...the game is rife with it. I'm not his bookie or his accountant so I don't know how much he has wasted or how much he has in his bank account. He earn't that money and quite frankly he can do what he likes with it, he very possibly gives a stack load to charity. The possibility remains that he may feel that two years in China and 10 mill in his bank account would come in very handy...and good luck to him.
  20. I really wish you wouldn't take my posts and completely alter the meaning and sentiment of them.
  21. I'm not sure he's been too prudent with his earnings and he may want/need one last big China pay day. It's a shame because if he exited stage left now it would be a lovely way to go.
  22. Looks like I'm the first on here to thank you to a fantastic servant and one of the greatest CBs of all time.
  23. He tried to give himself the image of this animated,enthusiastic, fun colourful coach but he has been overshadowed in every department including the football one by Conte. Must hurt:)
  24. It keeps me sane to be honest. A few hours at a gig is about the only time you completely forget about life's little worries. We play a kind of bluesy country rock. I'll send you a track if you like via a PM (if that's possible).
  25. Abramovich , Mourinho, JT were easy targets for the hate mob. Hence we were easy targets as fans. We were a club with no ''history' (but boy are we building a fantastic one now...and a future) We were boring (we now have some of the most exciting players on the planet) We tried to buy success with a rich foreign owner (cue many teams in the prem doing the same including the dippers) Our success would be a flash in the pan and then Roman would feck off....... Oh it's good to be a blue right now....always was in fact.