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Ham   
23 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

In fairness to you, I'd definitely not usually single you out as being especially negative about Chelsea or the players.

I can't quite get your angle on this Cahill/Mason thing, though. Neither of us know much of anything about what communication the players have had, or even more importantly what either would want from each other. If I felt someone had ruined my career or not behaved properly towards me, I'd not personally care about their condolences and would probably actually be more angry at them for making any kind of self-serving announcement, but quite rightly and fairly other people, perhaps yourself included, would feel very differently ... There isn't one set, correct way to act in this sort of situation.

All we know is what makes it to the press, and what has made it to the press doesn't warrant even slight or veiled criticism of Cahill or anyone at Chelsea. Perhaps Mason does feel aggrieved but I think you can marry together respecting his freedom to feel that way with an acceptance that Cahill hasn't necessarily done anything wrong.

I'd see it differently if we were talking about a career ended by a challenge like those others have been talking about since, maybe. 

Agreed that we're all entitled to our opinions.

My angle on this stems solely from the only interview I'd listened to with Mason himself and a specific comment that stuck with me where he singled out a few individuals who'd been there for him throughout his recovery and when asked, advised that he hadn't heard from Cahill since getting out of hospital. 

Maybe it's just me but that struck a chord with me. I thought about it again when I heard he'd retired. 

The other thing that I recall from it was that whilst he tried to come across as very positive he said that ultimately the decision as to whether he ever played again was down to the doctors. I remember thinking that this would be tough on a 25 year old. 

He may well have been training hard to give himself the best possible chance but I took from the interview that his career was very much in the balance. 

 

 

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chara   
1 hour ago, paulw66 said:

It really was

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43057859 

 

I don't remember Hunt being all that remorseful over Cech BTW. And that wasn't so accidental 

Well said..ignore the media..they don't care..it's a private thing for both players..leave it be.

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JaneB   
On ‎13‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 10:12 PM, Bob Singleton said:

I tend to agree with you. If it had been me, I'd have made the odd discrete, private, inquiry as to how he was getting on. I'm sure it's not impossible for one high profile footballer to get the mobile number of another playing in the same league.

I agree (rather surprisingly!).  

I don't want to criticise Gary Cahill, he's always struck me as a thoroughly decent guy, and we don't really know what contact has been going on or the dynamics of the situation.  Maybe Ryan Mason didn't want a lot of contact or visits from him.  

It's a shame though that Twitter has replaced personal contact these days "Look at me, I'm such a compassionate and caring person".  

It wasn't Gary Cahill's fault what happened but I hope he has been in personal contact with Ryan Mason in the last few days but I fear not.

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paulw66   

Another of our defenders, David Luiz, has not featured in almost three months because of injury. Conte gave an update on the Brazilian’s situation.

‘I don’t know if he will play again this season. We will see. Now he is having training sessions and he is improving a lot. He had this problem in his knee, but he is working very hard and I think he is aiming to come back before the end of the season.’

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xCELERYx   
17 hours ago, paulw66 said:

Another of our defenders, David Luiz, has not featured in almost three months because of injury. Conte gave an update on the Brazilian’s situation.

‘I don’t know if he will play again this season. We will see. Now he is having training sessions and he is improving a lot. He had this problem in his knee, but he is working very hard and I think he is aiming to come back before the end of the season.’

Yet, some still think he's not playing because of being frozen out by Conte. Utterly ridiculous really, considering he posts video updates on his injury and fitness on his social media accounts. 

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Luiz played through a lot of pain last season and quite probably made his injury much worse in doing so, but was clearly committed to the cause and wanted to win the title and unfortunately this season he is now paying for it.

Knee injuries are horrific, speaking from experience (10 years later and I can't still kick a ball properly), so if you're playing on a knee that isn't 100% it is not going to be a good thing and your body will naturally balance out that weakness and therefore put strain on other parts of your body and make you susceptible to other injuries and niggles.

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1 hour ago, xCELERYx said:

Yet, some still think he's not playing because of being frozen out by Conte. Utterly ridiculous really, considering he posts video updates on his injury and fitness on his social media accounts. 

Indeed... and he's usually to be seen in the seats behind the match day subs chatting and laughing with everyone. Hardly the actions of someone who has supposedly been frozen out of the squad by the manager.

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2 hours ago, xCELERYx said:

Yet, some still think he's not playing because of being frozen out by Conte. Utterly ridiculous really, considering he posts video updates on his injury and fitness on his social media accounts. 

Luiz will be 100% fit the moment a new manager arrives or he leaves.  

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3 hours ago, xCELERYx said:

Yet, some still think he's not playing because of being frozen out by Conte. Utterly ridiculous really, considering he posts video updates on his injury and fitness on his social media accounts. 

We shall see. He obviously has zero chance of going to the world cup if we believe he is genuinely injured.

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