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Liverpool...That explains alot then...What is it with the scousers?. Why do they have so much against us when yet, they are the ones that cheat us out of games and usually end up winning the big games undeservedly..I dont understand why you complain about us all the time.

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Zidane 46m, Figo 37m, Woodgate 13m, Ramos 18m, Garcia 5m (Undisclosed), Gravesen 2.5, Beckham ?, Diogo UND, Baptista 14m, Ronaldo ?, Robinho ?, Cassano ?

Thats Real Madrid's 1st team squad, a conservative estimate is that it cost over 200 million to assemble, without the cost of the kids they buy from all over. When you consider we have spent 280m since Roman arrived thats not so bad is it?

Buffon 32m, Cannavaro ? (>10m), Balzaretti ?, Pessotto ?, Thuram 22m, Veira 13.5m, Emerson ?, Nedved 25m, Camoranesi 2m, Mutu 20g of coke, Ibrahimovic 11m, Trezeguet 14m

Juve cost over 150m for the current squad, I can see your point in some ways but the days of having local lads playing for the clubs is gone. Money has always been apart of the game in some form or another, from the 1880's when English clubs signed scottish players to Chapmans Arsenal sides to the Liverpool sides of the 1960's-1980's. What you have to look at is what they are trying to achieve, to create a globally recognised and succesful club from a club that has won one championship before the last two years, a sprinkling of cups and spent years not even in the top flight. To push a cart from standing takes alot of energy, to keep it going takes less; to build a successful club takes alot of money, and then once successful the next Ronaldinho, Shevchenko or Ballack is easier to attract at a younger age.

It's no coincidence that Robinho joined Real Madrid and Ronaldinho joined Barca, they have history and prestige. We are currently building ours to begin to sit in this pantheon.

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DCBluesfan - You are right, but there has never been anything on this level before in the history of the game.


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And there has never been the kind of money to be EARNED by the self-appointed "big clubs" in the history of the game. Hence the only way to wrest silverware from the clutches of the G14 is with this kind of capital infusion. End of story.

I'm sure as a supporter of one of the G14 clubs the status quo was perfectly fine with you, but I sense your kind are just sorry that you now have to take your own medecine for a change. It was "just football" when you were able to spend 10x as much as the other clubs in the old Division 1 and I'm sure you didn't think that took the lustre off of any of your trophies, but now that someone can spend 3-5x more than you its time to cry "foul."

Let's face it, top flight English football, particularly in the Premiership era has been one of the most BORING sports leagues in the world from the perspective of how many teams were truly in the hunt for the title for at least during the last 30 years. I find it very odd that two titles won by a team not wearing red is being greeted by the English establishment with such alarm and scorn. They should welcome anyone who is able to bring talent like Shevchenko and Ballack into the Premiership and raise another club to a competitive level with the Red Three.

Even though it is not in Chelsea's interest, I hope there will be more Abromovich-like investors in Premiership clubs so that the quality of talent is second to none.

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dooder12   

Oh god, another Liverpool fan claiming to be interested in debate, while not being able to take of their own RED-tinted spectacles.

Liverpool have been blessed with the dynasty they had 20 years ago, but let's be honest, to now be led as a one-man team, must really be disheartening

What trully baffles me is the fact that Liverpool has won both the CL and FA Cup in the past two years, defeating Chelsea in the Semi no less, but their fans continue to plague this forum, questioning the victories that Chelsea have had. Manchester United fans who finished above you in the table, who have been genuine challangers for and winners of the title in the past Decade, haven't come on to this board nearly as much. Even Arsenal-fans or Tottenham fans have come on this board as much.

Honestly, telling us all the absolute truth, allegiance aside, would you refuse taking Shevchenko, Ballack, or any other player on our team, for the money we paid for them? More than likely the price would be lowered, because they're is a Chelsea price and there is a market price. Seriously though, would you not take one player from our squad to put in your team. If not you, how about Parry, what do you suppose he'd do? Yes these are all empty, unanswerable questions, but I could not believe that you wouldn't take one of the Chelsea players into your team.

What is with this "not being fair" attitude, if Chelsea has the money and players are willing to come, and they fit into the managers plan, why not buy them? Not a word was uttered about our money when Ranieri was in charge. Why? Because we hadn't won anything. Now that we've begun to win to perform well to challenge on all levels the jealousy, the fear of change seems to be spewing out of the British media, and the supporters seem to taking it in as divine mandate. "Chelsea is the bane of English football, nay the bane of existence." Lol, quite silly if you ask me.

To think if Rooney the Messiah of English football had been in our team, we would hailed as a great side.

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Karan   

I'm not really going to enter the 'buying sucess' debate, and DCBluesfan stated a very important aspect of the English league. I think the concept of a Euro superleague was on another thread and it was Bazza (I think) who mentioned that the history of English football is of evolution.

Call it whatever you want, a disparity in wealth or a league of one but the way I see it, is that the English Premier League established itself as a league for the big clubs to earn more money (ie commercialisation). This environment has allowed for the likes of Jack Walker, Abramovich and now Gaydamak at Pompey to plough their money into the league.

Abramovich's money saved the club, although to what extent of collapse where we on, I'm not aware of. But significant enough for us to probably consider selling off some of the best players that are currently the core of the side. On the contrary I think Abramovich's investment into Chelsea has raised the competitive field of the PL. With the previous duopoly of Arse and ManU dominating for 11+ years, now you have a 3rd team Chelsea winning 2 in a row and fans of the Red Merseyside thinking of wresting the title away. Maybe the PL will be a 4 horse race that'll be seen only next year but for pure spectator value it should be exciting with the likes of Ballack, Sheva added to the star cast and others surely will be joining the Red Brigade (surely they wont be left behind).

As per Peebles question of falling flat in 5 years (or something on those ines), I think we have a smart businessman as our owner and a clever CEO (for all his other faults I'll give him credit). They have already established measures to ensure the financial stability of the club in the long and short term. So even in the remote possibility of RA walking away from Chelsea, we'd be safe and will be able to sustain our high wages, rather than do the Leeds.

By the way has any one noticed that of the top 5 British transfers ManU have 3 players while Chelsea have 2.

Andriy Shevchenko; AC Milan - Chelsea £30m?

Rio Ferdinand: Leeds - Man Utd £30m

Juan Sebastian Veron: Lazio - Man Utd £28m

Wayne Rooney: Everton - Man Utd £27m

Michael Essien: Lyon - Chelsea £24.5m

(On review, I think I just joined the buying success debate.)

EDIT: One more important point, on the Question Does it Take the Shine Off?

Well after all the rubbish that is written in the papers and the biased anti Chelsea sentiment created by the likes of Sky, and others.....It just makes the Success even Sweeter.

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A significant part of the 40+ years I have been supporting the blues, has been spent watching teams with more money(a LOT more)than us (Liverpool/Man Utd/Arsenal)buying players that we could never afford, and dominating as a consequence. Now we have the money, and have gate crashed the party and all of a sudden its a problem?

The fact is, there is not a SINGLE team in the game that would have done it any differently had another Ambramovich come along. This is simply the same direction the G14 clubs chose, but now a non G14 club is rocking the boat.

Does it take the shine off? Not for me, not for a minute. More to the point, ask me if I would rather be watching Sheva next season or Crouch?

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Having Roman in control of the club is a bit like having a trpohy wife/girlfriend well out of your league. You know it's may not last forever, but by god you're gonna enjoy her while she's around!

Apologies for the slightly dubious analogy. Although I got a little misty there...........

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Washington Blue,

I am a Gooner mate of Peebles and have been reading this thread with interest. I think you are quite off the mark with your comments. The clubs in G14 obviously have an influence on what occurs however everything has become totally distorted with the huge influx of money.

Clubs like Liverpool/Arsenal have always had a history of spending within their means within a budget comfortable with the club,

they have been family owned, not sold out to shareholders or the person with the biggest pay packet. Do you honestly think that Abromovich had even heard of Chelsea when he was in Russia, he was within a few minutes of buying spurs before saving you from bankrupcy

He doesn't have any type of close affinity with the club, which by it's very nature and the way business is done must be hugely unsetteling for any Chelsea supporter. One man basically bankrolls you, to the extent that if he decided to pull out Chelsea would not survive. This is why it is vitally important for a club to be self financing and sufficient.

The huge overpaying that is going on at the moment on players is ridiculous, you are paying 40% more than your nearest rival on salaries and this is only going to increase.

One one hand it must be great knowing the club you support has the backing of someone who can and will buy anyone they choose to. However you have to question how the club is going to become profitable in the future. What happens if you don't win the CL in the next couple of years, would your manager stay? I don't think the

premiership is enough for abromovich, being able to win the CL also takes some luck!

No club is perfect, however at least if United spent 22mil on a player he played, SWP is sitting on your bench without much hope, next to him will prob be Essien now as you have Ballack. It is certainly going to be an interesting season if nothing else. There are so many what-ifs. I think the problem Chelsea now have is that most other supporters see money winning the league rather than Chelsea!

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Khobar   

I don't agree that there's any more mileage in the 'bought the league' debate - if debate is the right word.

The funniest thing today was hearing the Talkspite drivetime show, with Breen-Turner saying that Shevchenko will be the biggest waste of money in the Premiership EVER, and Marsh having his doubts as to whether he would score many goals - then opening the phone lines to all the usual suspects giving it the "obscene amounts of money, unfair, uneven playing field" garbage. Once again we were accused of spoiling the Premiership by making it uncompetitive (shall we list the previous winners again?) and one enterprising scouser being allowed to say a couple of times that Chelsea "aren't a proper club" and saying we couldn't enjoy our victories as they had been bought - before admitting that if Liverpool were to get a benefactor, he'd love every minute.

Not so long ago, this sort of thing infuriated me. Now? Well, it has been a long time since I laughed almost the entire 45 minute trip home - not since the mother in law fell down the stairs I think.

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I love these "just off the cuff" topics.

Firstly Liverpool boy - Littlewoods pools- remember them?

They were the "old fashioned" Lottery - Liverpool managed to Skint them buying player after player after player.

Arsenal historian - worried about the poor mistreated peasants of russia and their money?

Your own mighty club was founded on money earned from slavery, you cheated your wayinto the league and moved just like the hated MK Dons away from your own patch to pastures new where more football fans congregated.

Arsenal in their bank probably have more money than Chelsea but consistently choose to "steal" the valued youth team players from continental Europe by tapping up and relying on tribunal bargains to get you by.

What is more honorable? To pay the selling club the fee they require for the player you want or trawl the playpens of Europe?

Bet that takes the gloss off all those European cups/ Premier League trphies doesn't it?

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