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jones   

Musonda looks set to be with the squad next season. Quite exciting, as I have always thought he would be great both in 3-4-3 and 4-2-4. Would be strange if he did not get any game time, everyone at the club rates him highly and knows how critical game time is for him after a "wasted" year.

Colkett to Vitesse is exciting. In my opinion one of the most talented players from our academy in recent years, but perhaps he is too one-dimensional to succeed under Conte? Much more a Fabregas type of player than Baker. Will obviously replace Baker at Vitesse, and will get to test himself in the EL as well. Big step from L1. And with Mason Mount likely to go there too, Vitesse will be very interesting to follow next season.

On the PL loans:

Tammy: have a feeling we have gotten guarantees over playing time. With many clubs interested, and Newcastle rumoured to have completed the deal only for it to take a u-turn, Swansea surely has had to put an interesting offer on the table. With Clement there, and quick attacking players around him, I think Swansea is the best place for him to be. Unless, of course, Swansea splash 30mp on a top CF on deadline day.

Palmer to Huddersfield is great, he is clearly valued by Wagner. They have signed a lot of attacking players though, and I fear he ends up in a super-sub role chasing deficits in the dying minutes of games against tougher opposition. Hopefully he can nail down that no 10 role behind Mounié, but he will need to showcase himself early on.

RLC looks set to go to Newcastle, who is in need for a new number ten, and if he gets a key role there he could really flourish. Especially if they end up getting Sturridge - that could be a decent up front duo.

If Brown gets himself a PL loan to Brighton, I will be very surprised if he manages to make much of an impact. A talented player, but from what I have seen of him some way off that level.

Have not seen any rumours about Baker. Some journalist (don't remember who) claimed he was set to get a PL loan, but why has he not been linked to any clubs? Would surely be on many clubs' radar. Bournemouth has a pretty lame CM ... Or is he staying with us?

 

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1 hour ago, Juni said:

This is half the problem though, the loanees are held to different standards than new signings - not to say they're the wrong standards - but if you're holding up Courtois as the bastion of necessary achievement then it begs the question as to how Alonso, Moses, Luiz, Batshuayi, Zouma and countless others who've come and gone didn't play to anywhere near the comparable standard before they were signed. I know age becomes a factor and with it comes the necessary experience to mask flaws more readily, but it's clear we don't hold new signings to the same standards.

Alonso, Moses Luiz (or Luis) Bats have all played a lot of games at a decent level though before they played for us.  Moses did get 12 PL starts for us in his first season but then he did already have 78 PL appearances and 58 championship appearances for Wigan and Palace already - not bad for a 21 year old (and been sent away for another 59 appearances).  Likewise the 19 year old Zouma had 63 Ligue 1 appearances behind him when he arrived at Chelsea (including 6 months on loan back to St Etienne, and a 10 game gap in his record we don't talk about much).

These guys have a) been up against full grown men on a regular basis, b) been observed in adult games and shown to be up to it, c) learnt from the experience.  

I can see no reason at all why our Academy players can be considered their equal - at least until they have had a season or two as successful as Tammy or Courtois or Bertrand had.

27 minutes ago, jones said:

Tammy: have a feeling we have gotten guarantees over playing time.

I refuse to believe that a PL club would guarantee playing time for a 20  19 year old.
Some verbal assurances perhaps - particularly directly to Tammy.  But in the end it is up to Tammy to grab the place himself.

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8 hours ago, Droy was my hero said:

 

I refuse to believe that a PL club would guarantee playing time for a 20  19 year old.
Some verbal assurances perhaps - particularly directly to Tammy.  But in the end it is up to Tammy to grab the place himself.

They may need him if we do buy Llorente seeing as Gomis has already gone.

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12 hours ago, jones said:

Musonda looks set to be with the squad next season. Quite exciting, as I have always thought he would be great both in 3-4-3 and 4-2-4. Would be strange if he did not get any game time, everyone at the club rates him highly and knows how critical game time is for him after a "wasted" year.

Colkett to Vitesse is exciting. In my opinion one of the most talented players from our academy in recent years, but perhaps he is too one-dimensional to succeed under Conte? Much more a Fabregas type of player than Baker. Will obviously replace Baker at Vitesse, and will get to test himself in the EL as well. Big step from L1. And with Mason Mount likely to go there too, Vitesse will be very interesting to follow next season.

On the PL loans:

Tammy: have a feeling we have gotten guarantees over playing time. With many clubs interested, and Newcastle rumoured to have completed the deal only for it to take a u-turn, Swansea surely has had to put an interesting offer on the table. With Clement there, and quick attacking players around him, I think Swansea is the best place for him to be. Unless, of course, Swansea splash 30mp on a top CF on deadline day.

Palmer to Huddersfield is great, he is clearly valued by Wagner. They have signed a lot of attacking players though, and I fear he ends up in a super-sub role chasing deficits in the dying minutes of games against tougher opposition. Hopefully he can nail down that no 10 role behind Mounié, but he will need to showcase himself early on.

RLC looks set to go to Newcastle, who is in need for a new number ten, and if he gets a key role there he could really flourish. Especially if they end up getting Sturridge - that could be a decent up front duo.

If Brown gets himself a PL loan to Brighton, I will be very surprised if he manages to make much of an impact. A talented player, but from what I have seen of him some way off that level.

Have not seen any rumours about Baker. Some journalist (don't remember who) claimed he was set to get a PL loan, but why has he not been linked to any clubs? Would surely be on many clubs' radar. Bournemouth has a pretty lame CM ... Or is he staying with us?

 

Good post, lots to discuss.

Musonda: Am surprised he's staying. He's very talented but needs game time and his body still needs to develop. Can only see him getting bit part roles in the cups and the odd start. 

Colkett: Big step up for him and he has much more to learn and develop before taking the next step. Has the technique and passing range, but needs to develop other facets of his game.

Tammy: Think we need to slightly dampen our expectation as many seem to expect him to carry on scoring goals for fun. It may take him some time, he may not have a great season at all, but again it's a learning curve and a real step up for him. We should be level headed with Tammy and give him time. He's still learning, he's still developing.

Palmer: Yes, good loan for him and I think the reaction to his signing is quite telling as it's been received very positively by their supporters. This a very big step for him and he too will need to be handled carefully with our expectations tempered.

RLC: Desperately needs a loan, desperately needs game time. Wherever he does go (even if it's the Championship), he needs to play.

Brown: Surprise a sale isn't in the works. Maybe the plan is to extend his contract in view of a future sale. 

Baker: I'd keep Baker who at the age of 22 (turning 23 during the course of the upcoming season) I think it's time to take a decision on. Hope he doesn't go the way of Ake and Traore and is sold. He's so talented. 

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9 hours ago, Droy was my hero said:

I refuse to believe that a PL club would guarantee playing time for a 20  19 year old.
Some verbal assurances perhaps - particularly directly to Tammy.  But in the end it is up to Tammy to grab the place himself.

I disagree. Tammy is and was an extremely prized asset, with three to four PL clubs desperate to recruit him. Both Chelsea and Tammy could cherry pick. Which club offer the best deal? The only way Swansea would have been able to recruit Tammy at this point is if they told him "we want you as our number one" and if they briefed Chelsea on their transfer window plans, e.g., not intending to buy another CF. It follows implicitly that he will have to earn that spot, but it is a big difference from "welcome to the club, good luck on fighting for a spot" as Bamford at Palace seemed to get. 

I don't rule out any incentivising clauses in that deal too. For example, if he does not start/play a minimum number of games they have to pay a fee or we can recall him. The club is desperate for Tammy to be a Chelsea star, and if there is one loan deal they have spent extra time on making sure is the best one, then it is Tammy's.

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3 hours ago, Mark Kelly said:

They may need him if we do buy Llorente seeing as Gomis has already gone.

Indeed - and any evidence demonstrating an intention to use him a lot will be an important factor in deciding where to place him.

1 hour ago, jones said:

I disagree. Tammy is and was an extremely prized asset, with three to four PL clubs desperate to recruit him. Both Chelsea and Tammy could cherry pick. Which club offer the best deal? The only way Swansea would have been able to recruit Tammy at this point is if they told him "we want you as our number one" and if they briefed Chelsea on their transfer window plans, e.g., not intending to buy another CF. It follows implicitly that he will have to earn that spot, but it is a big difference from "welcome to the club, good luck on fighting for a spot" as Bamford at Palace seemed to get. 

I don't rule out any incentivising clauses in that deal too. For example, if he does not start/play a minimum number of games they have to pay a fee or we can recall him. The club is desperate for Tammy to be a Chelsea star, and if there is one loan deal they have spent extra time on making sure is the best one, then it is Tammy's.

I think we agree.  Assurances he will play will have been a big factor.  Clearing the decks to make room for him would have been a big factor.  A play or return agreement seems a good idea.  But a guarantee, no.  The last thing anyone wants is Tammy turning out week in week out in a terrible run of form, and being taken off after 55 minutes every game.  He is just 19, and his form is quite likely to be variable right now.

 

 

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Sciatika   

If you had asked me a few years ago about Dom Solanke and Tammy Abraham, I would have guessed that Dom was in the better position. Now, I think its completely reversed. Dom did well at Vitesse but remained sidelined all last season. Tammy got a couple of appearances in our first team, capitalised on a loan to a decent club in the championship and earned himself a step up. Dom will be playing for LFC reserves and hoping for an opportunity in the domestic cups. Tammy will be a first team player at Swansea. If Tammy plays, he will not be under pressure as a lone striker and I expect him to make solid progress this season.I wonder how the choices made by the players at the age of 19 will affect their careers going forward.

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Matej Delac, Chelsea's longest serving player, on the life of an eternal loanee....Matej Delac became Chelsea's longest-serving player when John Terry left earlier this summer, but he won't stay for much longer.

The 24-year-old Croatian goalkeeper, who joined the Blues in 2010 but has never played for the club in an official game, is expecting to move on in the coming weeks.

"I have one year left on my contract, and there is no chance of getting a work permit. Therefore, Chelsea will sell me," he told ESPN FC in an exclusive interview.

Inability to get a work permit in the United Kingdom stood between Delac and fulfilling his aspirations.

"I have always dreamt of playing in England, even before Chelsea called. We knew that there might be problems with the issue when signing the contract in 2010, but the situation was different. I had a good season at Inter Zapresic, Slaven Bilic called me up for the national team when I was 17, and there were hopes that I would get the necessary caps to meet the work permit criteria," Delac says.

"The reality was different. I got injured for three months, lost my place in the national team squad, and that was it."

And thus he started an intriguing journey around Europe. The keeper has spent time at eight different clubs in nine loan spells throughout the years, with varying results. 

Lessons from Raimond van der Gouw

The first stop was Vitesse Arnhem during the 2010-11 season.

"They had just released Piet Velthuizen, and I was told there was a chance to fight for my place. However, there were problems with my Dutch visa, and I joined the squad after the season had started. Eloy Room played well between the posts, and the coaches didn't want to make changes. I spent the entire year on the bench without playing a single minute," Delac says.

There were a lot of positives, though.

"Working with the goalkeeping coach Raimond van der Gouw was a great experience. He helped me a lot with advice on football and personal life. The coach, Albert Ferrer, tried to play possession football, and it was interesting to work with him. It was a good first year out of my country, but I wanted to play and had to move on."

Petr Cech helped to find Karel Poborsky

The summer of 2011 was rather dramatic.

"I played at the Under-20 World Cup in Colombia and only returned to Chelsea in mid-August. There were negotiations with Zulte Waregem, and I was supposed to go there, but something happened at the very last moment, and the deal was off. The transfer window was about to close, and I had nowhere to play," Delac recalls.

That's when Petr Cech came to the rescue.

"Petr helped me to find a club through his agency. They contacted Karel Poborsky, who was the chairman at Ceske Budejovice. The window in the Czech Republic closed later than in other leagues, and I was able to be loaned out in September. However, the papers were not ready on time, and another goalkeeper proved himself. I spent another season on the bench, and only was given one chance against Viktoria Plzen who had a very strong team. We lost 4-0, and even though I made some good saves it's impossible for a goalkeeper to get good press after such a result."

Delac hoped to change his luck at Vitoria Guimaraes in 2012, but was left disappointed.

"It is an amazing club. The training center was exceptional, and the fans were fantastic. The coach Rui Vitoria, who now works at Benfica, was very impressive, but the only problem was that he chose another goalkeeper. That is why I left Portugal in the middle of the season," Delac remembers.

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Petr Cech helped his former Chelsea teammate find a new club.

Crossing the border with Kezman

At a difficult time, the keeper got a call from the coach who gave him his first chance.

"Borimir Perkovic asked me to join Inter Zapresic [in Croatia] who were fighting against relegation. I needed to start somewhere, and that was a good opportunity. Finally, I was getting playing time, and we had some good games, but the gap was too big and we went down on the last day. I could have probably stayed there if we had made it, but going to the second division wasn't an option, and I moved again," Delac says.

He joined Vojvodina Novi Sad in Serbia in the summer of 2013. For a Croat born in Bosnia, that is not the most natural move, but another former Chelsea player was hugely instrumental.

"Mateja Kezman was the director at Vojvodina, and Chelsea arranged the deal thanks to him. He called me, explained the project and said the club are going to play in Europa League qualifiers. I was very young during the war, so I didn't really have strong feelings against Serbia. It turned out to be a good experience, and I played six games in Europa League. We were very unlucky to miss out on the group stage qualification," Delac recalls.

However, the stay was cut short prematurely.

"The board changed in the middle of the season. Kezman left, the coach had to leave as well, and the new directors wanted to get rid of a lot of players. It is very easy to terminate a loan deal, and I knew that I have no chance to play anyway." 

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Matej Delac's only appearance in a Chelsea shirt was in a friendly against Olimpija Ljubljana in 2014.

Signing for Vincent Tan in Bosnia

"I returned to London, and got a call from Sarajevo. They had a good team -- Robert Jarni was the coach, and the club was purchased by Cardiff City owner Vincent Tan. The infrastracture was good, and there are a lot of fans. I decided it was a good opportunity to get playing time in the spring. I took part in seven matches, but then Jarni left, and I was told the coach wanted to try a new goalkeeper ahead of the next season, because I was going to leave anyway," Delac says, highlighting the difficulties of being a loanee.

And so he was back to London in the summer of 2014, and played 45 minutes in a friendly against Olimpija Ljubljana -- his first and only game for Chelsea. Finding a new club proved to be difficult again, and the deal was signed on the last day of the transfer window -- Delac was off to Arles Avignon in the French Ligue 2.

"It sounded like a good project with big names like Jonathan Zebina, Mamadou Niang and Pascal Chimbonda. However, we struggled mightily, and the coach had to leave. The new coach, Victor Zvunka, decided to change the goalkeeper, and there was a lot of uncertainty. That is why it was the best idea to leave in midseason."

First title at Sarajevo and good season in Belgium

Another move to Sarajevo became an option in the beginning of 2015.

"Chelsea were not happy with it because they didn't like the way I was treated previously, but I told them that I wanted to come back. That was a great decision because I kept 11 clean sheets in 14 matches, and we won the championship title in Bosnia. I was an amazing feeling," Delac says.

For the first time in his career, he didn't change clubs in the summer that year, though even that didn't go smoothly.

"The new loan agreement with Sarajevo wasn't reached in time for me to play in the Champions League qualifiers," Delac explains. Then, just as continuity appeared possible, he tore anterior cruciate ligaments in his knee during a friendly.

"It happened three minutes before the break, and the second half was cancelled because of rain. That was really tough luck," the keeper recalls.

The recovery went faster than expected, though, thanks to Chelsea's medical staff.

"I returned to London for operations, and the club took care of everything. I am extremely grateful for that. I came back after six months and even played three games in May," Delac says.

And so to the last loan spell during the 2016-17 season, at Mouscron in Belgium.

"I was told that I would have a chance to fight for my place, and that was right. We won 3-1 on my debut at Westerlo in September, and I stayed between the posts, playing 28 league matches.

"This probably was my best season so far, and the team achieved the target of staying up."

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Chelsea's long-serving goalkeeper Matej Delac enjoyed a productive spell on loan at Mouscron last season.

No regrets whatsoever

Delac has never asked to leave Chelsea and is satisfied with his choice to sign for them.

"I have absolutely no regrets. I am proud to have been part of such a great club, and that is the way I have always felt, even though I didn't get a chance to play for Chelsea. This club cares about players who are out on loan. We come to London every summer, and there are special coaches who work with out team -- Eddie Newton and Paulo Ferreira. Chelsea constantly followed my progress and went to see my games. They visited six or seven Mouscron games last season," Delac says.

"I was lucky to work under great coaches -- Carlo Ancelotti, Andre Villas Boas, Jose Mourinho. I feel privileged to have trained with Cech, who is not only a phenomenal goalkeeper but a great person too."

Time to move on and find the right club

Such experiences make Delac think Chelsea are doing the right thing.

"Signing players and loaning them out is a good project by Chelsea. We, the loanees, have our own Whatsapp group to get updates, even though it is not easy to become close friends when you rarely see each other face to face. I mostly stayed in touch with Jamal Blackman because he is a goalkeeper, and Mario Pasalic because he is a Croat.

"The problem with the work permit is a political one. I have been waiting for a decision to allow Croats to work in England without it, but it never happened. Now it's time to move on. I would be glad to settle somewhere permanently and develop my career. It is important to choose the right club and make the correct decision. Then, maybe one day I will be able to return to England."

 

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Confirmed Loans (season): 

 

1 Jul Nathan Baxter                         Woking
1 Jul Fankaty Dabo                          Vitesse Arnhem
1 Jul Danilo Pantic                           Partizan Belgrade
4 Jul Tammy Abraham                     Swansea City
4 Jul Kasey Palmer                          Huddersfield Town
5 Jul Josimar Quintero                     FC Rostov
5 Jul Todd Kane                              Groningen
6 Jul Charlie Colkett                         Vitesse Arnhem
7 Jul Bradley Collins                         Forest Green Rovers
11 Jul Ola Aina                                Hull City
12 Jul Ruben Loftus-Cheek               Crystal Palace
14 Jul Lucas Piazon                          Fulham
16 Jul Marco van Ginkel                    PSV
17 Jul Ike Ugbo                               Barnsley
21 Jul Jay Dasilva                            Charlton Athletic
21 Jul Kurt Zouma                           Stoke City
24 Jul Mason Mount                         Vitesse Arnhem
25 Jul Izzy Brown                            Brighton and Hove Albion
27 Jul Tomas Kalas                          Fulham
27 Jul Michael Hector                       Hull City
27 Jul Jamal Blackman                     Sheffield United
28 Jul Jared Thompson                    Chippenham Town  
28 Jul Matt Miazga                          Vitesse Arnhem                                    
29 Jul Victorien Angban                   Waasland Beveren         
                     

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