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32 minutes ago, Ham said:

Talk of Wet Spam lowering Declan Rice's price to £50m and Chelsea ultimately using him as a CB.

I like the idea of Rice in midfield but CB? Not sold on it. 

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56 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

I still can't see the point in agreeing to sell Tomori for £25m particularly when we're also being linked with Upamecano for £42m

I can't see much difference in quality between the two. 

Maybe Dayot is really good in training. 

That would be 98 games for Leipzig.

 

55 minutes ago, RobertoftheGiz said:

 Naught Naught, that was not the question. How many seniors games did JT have on loan before he became a 1st team regular CB at Chelsea? I am just trying to understand your logic on Tamori needing a 100 PL games to be good enough for the Chelsea 1st team.

You may think that Chelsea are at the level of 2001, Lampard might think that, but you can be pretty sure that the board doesn't think so.
Besides I don't think you are suggesting that Tomori is as good as JT at the same age or ever will be, so where are you going with this.

55 minutes ago, RobertoftheGiz said:

Strange logic, he only played 30 games in his first two seasons

(Cahill).  No it was 64 appearances in 18 months - he arrived in January.

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10 minutes ago, Droy was my hero said:

You may think that Chelsea are at the level of 2001, Lampard might think that, but you can be pretty sure that the board doesn't think so.
Besides I don't think you are suggesting that Tomori is as good as JT at the same age or ever will be, so where are you going with this.

I am just trying to understand your logic, when a club legend did not play 100 matches elsewhere and was under 25 when becoming a permenat CB in the 1st team . I assume your thought process is more akin to JM on ready made senior playing staff

14 minutes ago, Droy was my hero said:

(Cahill).  No it was 64 appearances in 18 months - he arrived in January.

Naughty - 32 in the PL

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26 minutes ago, Droy was my hero said:

That would be 98 games for Leipzig

I thought noddy leagues didn't count? 

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21 minutes ago, RobertoftheGiz said:

I am just trying to understand your logic, when a club legend did not play 100 matches elsewhere and was under 25 when becoming a permenat CB in the 1st team . I assume your thought process is more akin to JM on ready made senior playing staff

Naughty - 32 in the PL

in 18 months -  you said 30 games total in 2 years.  I guess we can wait for the apology

21 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

I thought noddy leagues didn't count? 

In which case Tomori is a long way behind.  CL counts.

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paulw66   
3 hours ago, Mark Kelly said:

I still can't see the point in agreeing to sell Tomori for £25m particularly when we're also being linked with Upamecano for £42m

I can't see much difference in quality between the two. 

Maybe Dayot is really good in training. 

If Tomori was similar standard to Upamecano, he'd have been playing for us

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1 hour ago, paulw66 said:

If Tomori was similar standard to Upamecano, he'd have been playing for us

We've seen how good German league  players are in England first hand.

Not very. 

Are you seriously saying you don't rate Tomori? 

From what I've seen of him he's light years ahead of Christensen and Rudiger and easily as good, better in my opinion than Zouma. 

This looks like one of two things, pound signs in the eyes of the board or Lampard getting rid of a player who talks back questioning his lunacy. 

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No loan for Alonso yet?

1 hour ago, Mark Kelly said:

Are you seriously saying you don't rate Tomori? 

Well I don't.  Similar to Christensen, not in Rudiger's class.  Just as Zouma is a specialist big fella, Tomori is a specialist pace merchant.
It really is not in his interest to be spending the next two years like the last 13 months with a single PL start.

We brought in Silva, Rudiger got brought in from the cold, and then there is the 20 yo No 5 at Swansea who have conceded 13 goals in 24 games.

2 hours ago, Mark Kelly said:

This looks like one of two things, pound signs in the eyes of the board or Lampard getting rid of a player who talks back questioning his lunacy. 

A  £25m option is a long way short of a £25m sale.
I really doubt Tomori has a problem with Lampard.  Some of the senior players might have had problems with Lampard a year ago for playing his 2 Derby lads so much.

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2 hours ago, Mark Kelly said:

Lampard getting rid of a player who talks back questioning his lunacy. 

Sorry Mark, but where did this nonsense come from? You have no idea what (if anything) Tomori has said to Lampard. Seriously, it's pure invention.

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Rob B   
25 minutes ago, Michael Tucker said:

Sorry Mark, but where did this nonsense come from? You have no idea what (if anything) Tomori has said to Lampard. Seriously, it's pure invention.

Obviously it’s guesswork, but given the guy went from pretty much a regular fixture under Lampard for a year and a half (including allowing the sale of Luiz), to completely and utterly banished for the last year, I think *something* has gone on.

There were a few reports recently that he doesn’t train the best - so it could be this, but I fail to see that’s it’s been a decision based purely on favouring Christensen and Rudiger.  

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