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My apologies if this is posted in the wrong section but…

I’m a Dutch student and I need help from Chelsea-fans for a school project. The project is about the rivalry between the five football clubs from London who are active in the premier league.

I need a couple of Chelsea-fans willing to answer some questions about this topic. Preferably fans that sometimes visit a London derby but other fans are welcome to answer too.

I need to know about the atmosphere during a derby: is there is a friendly attitude towards the other fans and players or do you just plain hate their guts? Is there is a particular London football club Chelsea-fans dislike more than others? Do Chelsea-fans and fans of other London based football clubs get along when the national squad plays? How does the media report on those derbies? Etc.

Is anybody willing to answer a couple of those types of questions? Or maybe share a relating anecdote?

In December I will be in London for a week when Chelsea plays against the Spurs, so it would be great if some people who are going to attend that match are willing to also anwser some of those questions afterwards. I’m not going to attend the match myself, although I am planning to take the stadium tour at Stamford Bridge while I’m in London.

Thanks in advance!

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I've been to home games against Fulham, West Ham, Sp*rs and Arsenal but unfortunately haven't been to their grounds.

I wouldn't say there was a 'friendly' atmosphere against any club we play in the PL. There's always some sort of rivalry as we need to win the game, of course some games are less hostile than others and it does also depend on the situation both clubs are in aswell. Specifically looking at the London derbies our closest football club from the Bridge is Fulham and out of the 3 other PL London clubs being at a match against Fulham is the least hostile. We don't care much for Fulham. Most of Fulham's history was spent in the lower divisions and when Chelsea have also not been in the top flight we still rarely met Fulham. There's not much rivalry here from my experience, they're just an annoyance if we don't get all 3 points. Like we chant against them 'You're just a small team in Putney'. Chelsea and Fulham probably go against all conventions here, most clubs HATE their closest rivals but it's different with Chelsea fans to Fulham. Fulham might hate us though?

Sp*rs and West Ham are the teams I, personally, hate the most out of the PL London clubs. There's a bit of history between us and Sp*rs - mainly football related but back in the 'hooligan days' of English football there was a lot of political and religious hatred between the two club's hooligan firms and although this has dramatically calmed down from the 70's and 80's the concept is still there. I don't need to explain it all in detail, doing a quick search will soon uncover information about it.

Arsenal, of course, I hate but not as much as West Ham and Sp*rs.

I've never seen England play live so can't really comment on how I would personally get along sat next to a Sp*rs fan during a game. I'm sure I would be fine about it but if he started booing or shouting abuse at one of the Chelsea players, that would be a different matter. For me personally I always want the Chelsea players to do better than our rival club's players when they pull on an England shirt. Most of the starting England 11 come from Chelsea and then northern clubs like United, Liverpool and City.

Hope that helps you.

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I need to know about the atmosphere during a derby: is there is a friendly attitude towards the other fans and players or do you just plain hate their guts? Is there is a particular London football club Chelsea-fans dislike more than others? Do Chelsea-fans and fans of other London based football clubs get along when the national squad plays? How does the media report on those derbies? Etc.

In December I will be in London for a week when Chelsea plays against the Spurs, so it would be great if some people who are going to attend that match are willing to also anwser some of those questions afterwards. I’m not going to attend the match myself, although I am planning to take the stadium tour at Stamford Bridge while I’m in London.

I'm a home season ticket holder sitting very close to the away fans in the Shed Lower, so I'll stick specifically to the atmosphere between the fans.

The atmosphere is often a lot more hostile in derby games. In order of hostility amongst the London clubs, I'd rank it (from most hostile to least): Tottenham, West Ham, Arsenal, Fulham. This is interesting in that Fulham are notionally our rivals being local, but, possibly due to the fact they were in lower divisions for years and then still poor when promoted, we see them as a bit of a joke. Tottenham and West Ham are historically big rivals amongst the fans, if not actually on the pitch, although Tottenham are starting to have a bit of a surge of late. Arsenal fans are notoriously quiet at home; however, when they come to Chelsea, and possibly other away grounds, they always act tough and make a fair amount of noise. They set off a flare last season, prompting very justified chants of "You're not English any more", which works on so many levels with them!

That said, Liverpool and Man United especially are also very hostile matches, and usually far more so than Fulham at least.

With regards England matches, I couldn't honestly say as I don't go to international matches. However I would think that fans generally get along, albeit under an unwritten agreement that people don't take their club support to England matches. So Chelsea fans would support Rooney and Gerrard (somewhat half-heartedly to say the least) as they are England players, not players of their respective clubs. This hasn't however been the case with Chelsea players such as Ashley Cole who was often unjustly booed simply because people hate him. If everyone took their personal views of players into England matches, it'd be a stadium full of boos; but with the way we're playing recently, it is anyway!

I don't think the media present derby games that differently from any other game. They will use the fact it's a derby, and with the "big" derbies (Man City-Man U, Spurs-Arsenal, Liverpool-Everton) it is clearly a very big game for all concerned, but I don't think that's the case with any club for Chelsea. For fans, it'd be Tottenham, but for the club overall, it's not so clear.

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I can only echo what has been said above, with the caveat that I hate Arsenal most. That's mostly for personal reasons though and I know most Chelsea supporters despise the other London clubs more.

RE: England games. They aren't much fun for Chelsea supporters in my experience of them. Everyone boos Terry and Cole (I can understand why, if not sympathise with it at all) and Lampard gets stick, while the likes of Gerrard and Beckham (when he was still a fixture) were adored despiute often playing poorly. I've seen scuffles break out among home fans too. I don't really bother going to many England games any more because of it.

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Thank you all for your replies!

I'll def look into the history between Spurs and Chelsea and I will ask around at a Spurs fansite to see how they feel about it.

Over the last few decades have there ever been riots when Chelsea played another London club? I mean just serious fighting causing the league to step in and punish the fans. Over here in Holland just last year a cup final between Ajax and Feyenoord had to be cancelled due to possible riots and then the KNVB decided to just split it into two matches both only attended by the home crowd which completely ruined the essence of a cup final.

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synavm   

The last game with serious trouble that I can remember at Stamford Bridge (actually in the ground) was in the FA Cup against Millwall. I think it may have been 1996? I think there was a bit of a ruckus against Manchester City at Maine Road too (cannot for the life of me remember the year, but it was pre-Abramovich). Oh, and I think a Tottenham fan got stabbed a few years back somewhere in the Fulham Broadway area.

I personally don't hate any team, but in terms of the fan base it'd definitely be Tottenham. Arsenal aren't looked at too fondly either. Millwall were another rival but we hardly ever play them anymore. Outside of London, Liverpool and Leeds are disliked.

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ashcfc   

I would also echo what has been said already. However I go to most of the away derby matches, in which there is a lot more hatred between the fans than at home (the chelsea fans that is) possibly because were more of a hardcore at away games.

The most recent violence I can remember was at parsons green (near Stamford bridge) between chelsea and spurs fans about 2/3 years ago after an FA cup tie, (I think it was the 3-3) - Most of the fighting between fans in England is organised nowadays, because of such a heavy police presence in and around the grounds in the premier league, although at the replay of that spurs game a spurs ran onto the pitch and tried to punch frank Lampard (you can youtube it probs).

At derby games the police do alot to keep fans separate - police escorts are the norm and at West Ham away this season they used a video camera to record us...

You can also check out a recent(ish) pitch invasion between fulham and chelsea a few years ago if your looking for that sort of thing.

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Thank you all for your replies!

This is probably a longshot but.... are there any die hard Chelsea fans on here who are willing to meet up with me when I’m in London to tell something about the clubs history and rivalry between other London football clubs with me recording it. I’m trying to impress my teacher and outdo my classmates :-)

Again, thanks for the replies everybody.

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JayD   

Fulham

Because I live in South West London, I find my area is split between Fulham and Chelsea. It's a funny old Rivalry really from what I can say, Fulham hate us.. whereas I'm not too fussed about them, after all they are just a small team down the road. It's the same in a way as QPR hate fulham, but fulham aren't too bothered about QPR. It's always a massive game for them and it used to be the one that I'd always look forward too the most because of my mates all supporting Fulham. Times change, and for me now I don't see it as such an important game, I only have the worry that we'll loose and I have to spend Months dealing with the consequences down the pub.

Sp*rs

I dislike (to put it nicely) tottenham, thats for personal reasons and what happened a few years ago with their fans, but it goes back for others alot further. In my opinion, totenham dislike Arsenal more than they dislike us however. It becomes awkward with Tottenham and their fans, because I genuinly dislike them... don't get me wrong, some are alright.. but I can spot the bad ones a mile off. I recently got in a cab, started talking about football.. the driver was a tottenham fan, a heated discussion developed and he was a right fool, I left the cab and walked. Tottenham for me, biggest rivals.

Arsenal

Always a fairly big game, but the Emirates is a Libary still and the atmnosphere from fans makes this one a pretty dull rivalry now. Alot of rivalry is to with the the fans, the atmnosphere. Thats my opinion.

West ham

The main rivalry goes back before my time, but it's always gonna be there in one way or another. They'll always shout abuse at us in the away end, and we'll always do the same back. They're going down anyway, so they don't bother me.

I'm not going to lie, alot of the deep down rivalry comes from things that happened off the pitch years ago before I was born. But alot's happened since I've had my season ticket. And thats why everybodys worst rivals will be different because it depends on your personal experiences with the different clubs / cultures and fans.

there's so much to say about rivalry, some people don't care about it and say it's dead and burried, but for some people it will always be there.

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I've been home and away to all these clubs. It's all very civilised now - even West Ham was muted when I last went.

The police presence and the cost of tickets I suppose.

Personally, I can't stand the Gooners for all sorts of reasons, though' I know for most people the Spuds are Public Enemy No 1. West Ham are our feeder club and Fulham an irrelevance.

Of course, looking at it from there end, things take a diferent perspective.

Spurs and Arsenal hate each other 1st and we probably come 2nd but some way distant.

Fulham don't like us to much, but are to civilised to do anything about it.

West Ham on the other hand do have a serious chip on their shoulder about us. It's all calmed down now, thank goodness, but there have been more hairy moments with the Hammers than the rest put together - mass brawls outside Upton Park, pitch invasions, a sneaky assault on the Shed plus countless minor incidents.

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