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Jose Mourinho Sacked For The Second Time by Chelsea. Joins Manchester United.

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On 2017-5-16 at 9:22 AM, exiledblue said:

I think what is unacceptable is to stop trying, not for not finishing top 3. He gave up on CL before it became impossible.

I so hope Ajax win.

Yes. Me too. Hoping Traore does us proud next week.

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4 hours ago, McCreadie said:

Absolutely hate this idea. We want the best teams in Europe in the competition.

Or we could have Portsmouth Swansea Birmingham and Wigan. Excuse me if that sounds a bit arrogant, but I dont see the sense in convoluting a mechanism to get some worse teams involved.

I could be persuaded to go back to the "Champions Only" policy, but to be honest that is a bit flawed too - League champions are often NOT the best team in their league the following season.

then the name needs changing is its not Champions league, Its top 3 or 4 teams league. Portsmouth Swansea Birmingham and Wigan wouldnt win the cups if the top teams saw them as important.

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6 hours ago, Sea foot said:

What would happen next year when we win three of them. 😂

we get 3 lives.....

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24 minutes ago, exiledblue said:

then the name needs changing is its not Champions league, Its top 3 or 4 teams league. Portsmouth Swansea Birmingham and Wigan wouldnt win the cups if the top teams saw them as important.

For all the "romance" of the FA Cup, the vast majority of winners going back some thirty years have come from the "bigger" clubs; ourselves, Arsenal & Spurs from London, Everton & Liverpool from Merseyside and the two Manchester clubs. Since Wimbledon in 1988, only Portsmouth in 2008 and Wigan in 2013 have broken the monopoly. While clubs like Birmingham, Swansea and Middlesbrough have won the League Cup this century, it's still dominated by the "bigger" clubs listed above.

Edited by Bob Singleton

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3 hours ago, James Prescott said:

Jose built the 2005-2012 team. Carlo did simply manage that team brilliantly. Not many changes. 

This team...not so sure. AVB bought Cahill and Courtois. Di Matteo bought Hazard, Moses and Dave.

Conte bought Luiz, Kante and Alonso. He invigorated Moses (and the whole squad, to be honest), and brought in the tactical formation we have now, rebuilt the team spirit and got them fit and motivated - our team now is Conte's team. He's taken players brought in by other managers, or discarded by other managers (Moses for example) and improved all of them, without fail.  He got rid of Mikel and Oscar, who were Mourinho stalwarts. Zouma looks like he's going too. 

Jose brought in Costa, Pedro, Willian, Fabregas, and Matic of this squad, and had a rigid 4-2-3-1

Conte hasn't just managed a Jose team well. He's changed tactics, added key players, and got them fitter and better motivated than ever, and better organised defensively. It's a different team altogether, with his unique stamp on it. 

A rigid 4231? Under JM we played a far more possession based and attacking based football than what we do under Conte. My main critisism of Jose's second stun was that he was fr too attacking in his base-line tactic. 

Thats not even a remotely remarkable claim. It's clearly showed in the stats from the games. 

For periods, Jose's 4231 was more defensive and counter-attacking but never the default tactic for a prolonged period. Conte's 3-4-2-1 is counter-attacking by default and only on rare occasions do we take the initiative. 

Thats clear to see if you go back in time and study possession and territory numbers from the games both managed. 

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2 minutes ago, Sleeping Dave said:

A rigid 4231? Under JM we played a far more possession based and attacking based football than what we do under Conte. My main critisism of Jose's second stun was that he was fr too attacking in his base-line tactic. 

Thats not even a remotely remarkable claim. It's clearly showed in the stats from the games. 

For periods, Jose's 4231 was more defensive and counter-attacking but never the default tactic for a prolonged period. Conte's 3-4-2-1 is counter-attacking by default and only on rare occasions do we take the initiative. 

Thats clear to see if you go back in time and study possession and territory numbers from the games both managed. 

Not this again! Conte's system is NOT counter attacking by default.  We have been camped in the opposition third for a substantial part of this season knocking on doors and when we have come under attack we have the option to counter attack. 

I'm only posting once on this one as it was exhausting the last 20 times this was discussed. 

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Galol   

Mourinho was ostensibly hired to restore Man U to the pinnacle of English football. Instead he has taken them from 5th (in 15-16 season) to 6th. That's an abysmal failure by any objective standard. What's there to discuss?

 

Stop rationalizing abject failure. Mourinho might once have been great but he's "has been" now. And no, the Phoenix will not rise again. He's finished.

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1 hour ago, Galol said:

Mourinho was ostensibly hired to restore Man U to the pinnacle of English football. Instead he has taken them from 5th (in 15-16 season) to 6th. That's an abysmal failure by any objective standard. What's there to discuss?

 

Stop rationalizing abject failure. Mourinho might once have been great but he's "has been" now. And no, the Phoenix will not rise again. He's finished.

Yeah.. Potential double winners with Champions League football on the menu for next year. What a failure he has been. 

By all means lets focus on the league position when he openly stated for quite a while that he couldnt be bothered about the league results. 

Pragmatic and disrespectful to the league? Perhaps. A failure? Then what would you call Pochettino, Klopp, Guardiola and Wenger? 

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13 minutes ago, Blue_In_Every_Way said:

Yeah.. Potential double winners

The 'double' has always been (and always will be, imo) the League and FA Cup. Other Noddy 'doubles' don't amount to much to me, and I'd bet that they don't amount to much to Mourinho, either. Ditto, 'potential winners'! The only reason JM wants to win the Europa League, is to get into next season's CL, as it's the only way left.

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6 hours ago, Ham said:

Not this again! Conte's system is NOT counter attacking by default.  We have been camped in the opposition third for a substantial part of this season knocking on doors and when we have come under attack we have the option to counter attack. 

The possession stats prove that we have not been camped in the opposition third.  For a top 4 team, let alone one with 29 wins already, to have 54.6% possession is pretty unusual.   Meanwhile simple observation (and the stats) shows us largely passing the ball amongst our own players in our own half.

I think you are creating your own set of facts to match your convictions.

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