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A number of papers today claiming an Arsenal move for Cavani on the cards. Probably just a media reaction to them apparently missing out on Benzema, but not great news if true.

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So we sign Salah.. Doesn't do a lot, then we loan him out and he does do a lot. We then sign Cuadrado from the club we gave Salah on loan to for £27 million? He comes in, does nothing, then we loan him to Juventus, and Salah to Roma.... Mess.

In fairness, neither player was given a real opportunity to do much of anything during their short stays at Chelsea. Which does make you wonder why we bought them in the first place.

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xCELERYx   

In fairness, neither player was given a real opportunity to do much of anything during their short stays at Chelsea. Which does make you wonder why we bought them in the first place.

Which falls back on Mourinho in a way. Unless a player comes in and does something within their first 1-2 games to impress him, they're immediately finding themselves on the outer. Neither Salah or Cuadrado were helped with how JM sets his side up and wants us to play. Two players with great pace, direct and the ability to either create or score goals and both are stifled by the slow build up play had. He more or less nullifies his own players strengths.

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Which falls back on Mourinho in a way. Unless a player comes in and does something within their first 1-2 games to impress him, they're immediately finding themselves on the outer. Neither Salah or Cuadrado were helped with how JM sets his side up and wants us to play. Two players with great pace, direct and the ability to either create or score goals and both are stifled by the slow build up play had. He more or less nullifies his own players strengths.

Willian, Ramires, Luiz, Azpi and a few others would fly in the face of that though.

Ramires has been in and out, Willian didn't start off great at Chelsea but more grew into it. Luiz was in and out and in different positions.

I personally think it has more to do with Jose's thoughts on why a player would be good in a role, even more so than how good he ends up being.

Jose seems to come up with an idea of how he wants the team to play, or how he wants a player to fit in a role and when they don't or can't he just throws them aside.

Azpi playing left back while Ivanovic plays halfway up the pitch on the right for example.

Anyone except Remy as another.

IMO Jose likes to formulate an idea of the machine in his head, and then tell players to play the roles of the parts.

Rather then gathering up a whole bunch of parts and building a machine that suits them.

Hence his reputation for also liking "Mourinho type players" and being a buying manager.

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Which falls back on Mourinho in a way. Unless a player comes in and does something within their first 1-2 games to impress him, they're immediately finding themselves on the outer. Neither Salah or Cuadrado were helped with how JM sets his side up and wants us to play. Two players with great pace, direct and the ability to either create or score goals and both are stifled by the slow build up play had. He more or less nullifies his own players strengths.

Not disagreeing with this but...then you have someone like Pedro who just walked on and dominated from the get go. With similar qualities to both Salah and Cuadrado,

I'm theory, Salah should have had a similar impact as he has pace to burn and knack for a goal or two. In the end I think he suffered from lack of intelligence and game understanding. He just couldn't utilise his abilities over here.

It's such small margins but as Cam said earlier - Cuadrado seemed to be doomed after his first 60 seconds on the pitch.

I wish the PL refs didn't allow rubbish players running the game by being allowed to take out far better players without any sort of punishment. It's counterproductive in the extreme.

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Willian, Ramires, Luiz, Azpi and a few others would fly in the face of that though.

Ramires has been in and out, Willian didn't start off great at Chelsea but more grew into it. Luiz was in and out and in different positions.

I personally think it has more to do with Jose's thoughts on why a player would be good in a role, even more so than how good he ends up being.

Jose seems to come up with an idea of how he wants the team to play, or how he wants a player to fit in a role and when they don't or can't he just throws them aside.

Azpi playing left back while Ivanovic plays halfway up the pitch on the right for example.

Anyone except Remy as another.

IMO Jose likes to formulate an idea of the machine in his head, and then tell players to play the roles of the parts.

Rather then gathering up a whole bunch of parts and building a machine that suits them.

Hence his reputation for also liking "Mourinho type players" and being a buying manager.

To a degree, yes. The players you've mentioned have also had good work rate and ethics, which Mourinho is also fond of, even if that's at the expense of more attacking and flamboyant qualities. The point still remains that he stifles players to fit them into a desired framework, or if they don't fit, leave them out altogether.

If we maintained the sort of approach we had at the beginning of last season, Salah and Cuadrado would have been handy players who could have contributed at some point. Instead, we shut up shop and played slow compact football. Our more open and expansive play was lost and it effectively made it impossible to field anyone who didn't fit our new program.

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Not disagreeing with this but...then you have someone like Pedro who just walked on and dominated from the get go. With similar qualities to both Salah and Cuadrado,

I'm theory, Salah should have had a similar impact as he has pace to burn and knack for a goal or two. In the end I think he suffered from lack of intelligence and game understanding. He just couldn't utilise his abilities over here.

It's such small margins but as Cam said earlier - Cuadrado seemed to be doomed after his first 60 seconds on the pitch.

I wish the PL refs didn't allow rubbish players running the game by being allowed to take out far better players without any sort of punishment. It's counterproductive in the extreme.

Well, Pedro is a better play than both to be fair. But had he done nothing and had a shocker first up, a different opinion would have been generated from the one at present. It's all "if's" though.

Ultimately, every player is different. Some settle quickly, some take time and a run of games to find their feet. Some just don't fit within a particular system, which is, imo, where both Salah and Cuadrado fall victim. Neither are bad players generally speaking, hell, Salah tore us apart once upon a time. The environment here just wasn't ideal for either of them to make an impact. Still think that had they joined someone like Arsenal or even a Liverpool/Man Utd, who play at a quicker tempo and are more open, things may have been different for them in the EPL.

Won't be shocked if both go on to have good seasons in Serie A this season.

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Now we have four high quality players competing for three positions, and we have two very talented players in Traore and Kenedy pushing them from behind.

Literally no evidence at this point to suggest that Traore or Kenedy will be 'pushing' for any involvement. Indeed, historic (non) use of players similar to them is if anything evidence to the complete contrary. And four players for three starters/four or five players needed per game is suicide.

It makes very little sense to let Moses go. He's precisely what the squad have been lacking in recent years.

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In fairness, neither player was given a real opportunity to do much of anything during their short stays at Chelsea. Which does make you wonder why we bought them in the first place.

Perhaps you should realise that the "chances" come on the training field. If you don't stand out there you don't deserve to get a spot in the 11. On the other hand Jose would have to be an idiot to ignore a player ripping it up at Cobham. I think Cuadrado's fate is entirely of his own making.

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