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The better way is that he simply shouldn't have gone there but I'm done discussing this as it's always going to be a circular argument.

Let's just beat Man City and win the league so we can celebrate Lampard's phenomenal and legendary Chelsea career rather than discuss this sour tasting footnote at the end of his career.

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not sure if anyone has given credit to Tottenham for the win.

Does acknowledging that we were out enthused and out played by a better team on the day, count? Take Hazard and Costa out of the equation, and we were second-best pretty much in every other position, including the manager's dugout. But the reality is that it was one game, and I expect an immediate and positive reaction..starting with Watford.

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The better way is that he simply shouldn't have gone there but I'm done discussing this as it's always going to be a circular argument.

Let's just beat Man City and win the league so we can celebrate Lampard's phenomenal and legendary Chelsea career rather than discuss this sour tasting footnote at the end of his career.

He signed with New York. They loaned him to Melbourne City, but that deal fell through because they were in breach of the A League rules. Needing games, and the start of the MLS a long way off, how was he NOT going to end up at Man City? This is the question that needs addressing, surely? The contract extension I do have a problem with, and believe that Frank made an error with that (if for no other reason than his credibility with the New York fans), although once he started scoring goals, City were always going to push for it - and their owners also own the new New York franchise, so again I'm left wondering if Frank had any say it that?

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I don't get the Oscar criticism at all. It's as if people have very short or selective memories. Hazard gets universal praise yet he was one of the main reasons we lost at Newcastle, in fact he gave the ball away moronically for the second goal so he was less than useless, he also was barely performing better than Schurrle before mid December last season yet Oscar who's been one of our best players this season is blamed for everything. Meanwhile Willian the right winger is heaped with praise because his only attribute is occasionally nicking the ball back in centre midfield. As for the Mata grass is greener lust, Man U fans still can't decide if he's a slow midget who does nothing defensively or a misunderstood answer to all their problems and he's been there nearly a year. The mind boggles!

Anyway, it seems to me that Oscar has taken the brunt of fan passive aggression since last season as it seems many hold him responsible for us not winning the league. Jose and the club are the reason we didn't win the league, if it wasn't for their Rooney obsession we might have had a decent striker last season. Instead we were lumbered with Torres who can't even hack it at Milan ffs.

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He signed with New York. They loaned him to Melbourne City, but that deal fell through because they were in breach of the A League rules. Needing games, and the start of the MLS a long way off, how was he NOT going to end up at Man City? This is the question that needs addressing, surely? The contract extension I do have a problem with, and believe that Frank made an error with that (if for no other reason than his credibility with the New York fans), although once he started scoring goals, City were always going to push for it - and their owners also own the new New York franchise, so again I'm left wondering if Frank had any say it that?

Lampard was never actually loaned to Melbourne City. It was just talk of a possible deal, but it was never going to actually happen because Robert Koren had already been signed as their Marquee Player (despite being out injured until recently), and a deal had already been arranged to bring David Villa in on the permitted 10 game guest contact, which he only played 4 games before being recalled by NYC. There was never any room for Lampard, period. So naturally, he was always going to end up at Man City if he was to end up anywhere. And well, the rest is as it is. I also find the contact extension the more interesting and difficult part to swallow. Some responsibility will have fallen to Lampard in weather or not he opted to accept a loan extension or not. Given how he's performed and Man City being in the hunt for the title, that's difficult to turn down when Lampard himself will know that it's probably one of the last chances he'll get to win the EPL.

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xCELERYx   

I don't get the Oscar criticism at all. It's as if people have very short or selective memories. Hazard gets universal praise yet he was one of the main reasons we lost at Newcastle, in fact he gave the ball away moronically for the second goal so he was less than useless, he also was barely performing better than Schurrle before mid December last season yet Oscar who's been one of our best players this season is blamed for everything. Meanwhile Willian the right winger is heaped with praise because his only attribute is occasionally nicking the ball back in centre midfield. As for the Mata grass is greener lust, Man U fans still can't decide if he's a slow midget who does nothing defensively or a misunderstood answer to all their problems and he's been there nearly a year. The mind boggles!

Anyway, it seems to me that Oscar has taken the brunt of fan passive aggression since last season as it seems many hold him responsible for us not winning the league. Jose and the club are the reason we didn't win the league, if it wasn't for their Rooney obsession we might have had a decent striker last season. Instead we were lumbered with Torres who can't even hack it at Milan ffs.

Oscar gets stick because he simply doesn't contribute enough in the final third for the position he's playing or provides consistency. While Hazard has had some disappointing games, he can escape that criticism because he wins us games and is a big contributor in attack. When he's providing that sort of output, his faults can be overlooked because the good outweighs the bad. All Oscar has is his work rate, which has also dropped off. The simple fact is, Oscar has been disappointing in an overall capacity. More so when he was held higher than Mata, someone that was providing a lot for us in attack. Oscar has 3 goals and 6 assists from 16 league games this season. That #10 role requires better output. If he was purely playing that role as a supplier, then he isn't doing too badly but he's not. Willian on the other hand also needs to do more, he's only got 1 goal and 1 assist this season in the league. What Willian does offer though is consistency and provides an excellent balance to the side that compliments the other players around him. That doesn't excuse his lack of output either though.

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Faramir   

City will manhandle Arsenal and Spurs. More likely to lose away to Newcastle or Stoke. Otherwise, I just can't see them dropping points.

Have you seen them play lately?

Dropped two points to Burnley from a 2-0 lead and let Sunderland back in to the game from a 2-0 lead and you can't see them dropping points?

We have played Spurs home and away and they are currently a form team with momentum. They are the kind of team that can take points off of City. They were very clinical against us. Both of Kane's goals were excellent, and he won the penalty by being so quick and alert to the situation. Eriksen's pass to let in Chadli for goal #2 was weighted perfectly and Chadli's run was very well timed. Rose was lightning quick to stick it in the net. The only goal that had an element of luck was #5 when Chadli drills it and it bounces kindly off of Terry in to the corner of the goal.

Pochettino has got his team playing very well at the moment. They are definitely very confident when they attack. They are definitely back in contention for a CL place.

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Faramir   

Oscar gets stick because he simply doesn't contribute enough in the final third for the position he's playing or provides consistency. While Hazard has had some disappointing games, he can escape that criticism because he wins us games and is a big contributor in attack. When he's providing that sort of output, his faults can be overlooked because the good outweighs the bad. All Oscar has is his work rate, which has also dropped off. The simple fact is, Oscar has been disappointing in an overall capacity. More so when he was held higher than Mata, someone that was providing a lot for us in attack. Oscar has 3 goals and 6 assists from 16 league games this season. That #10 role requires better output. If he was purely playing that role as a supplier, then he isn't doing too badly but he's not. Willian on the other hand also needs to do more, he's only got 1 goal and 1 assist this season in the league. What Willian does offer though is consistency and provides an excellent balance to the side that compliments the other players around him. That doesn't excuse his lack of output either though.

The trouble for Oscar is not his talent but what he is being asked to do in the game.

On paper Oscar had the #10 role against Spurs but Fabregas seemed to be getting more forward and taking less defensive responsibility in the game. We did not play a conventional 4-2-3-1 yesterday. Spurs were able to exploit us when they attacked quickly, and Terry and Cahill are not mobile enough to deal with fast forwards with hardly any protection from central midfield.

Mourinho spoke about Ramires yesterday and let us know that he was out of the side due to recovery from his injury being slow rather than being purely dropped from the side.

I would like to see Ramires and Matic taking those two central midfield slots with a mandate to protect their central defenders. Fabregas does not seem to be able to fulfill that role consistently.

A starting eleven that looks like this against top class opposition:

Courtois

Ivanovic Cahill Terry Azpilicueta

Ramires Matic

Oscar Fabregas Hazard

Costa

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Ham   

Have you seen them play lately?

Dropped two points to Burnley from a 2-0 lead and let Sunderland back in to the game from a 2-0 lead and you can't see them dropping points?

We have played Spurs home and away and they are currently a form team with momentum. They are the kind of team that can take points off of City. They were very clinical against us. Both of Kane's goals were excellent, and he won the penalty by being so quick and alert to the situation. Eriksen's pass to let in Chadli for goal #2 was weighted perfectly and Chadli's run was very well timed. Rose was lightning quick to stick it in the net. The only goal that had an element of luck was #5 when Chadli drills it and it bounces kindly off of Terry in to the corner of the goal.

Pochettino has got his team playing very well at the moment. They are definitely very confident when they attack. They are definitely back in contention for a CL place.

The only problem is that spurs always bend over and pucker up against City.

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Faramir   

Learning Curves:

1) This has to be the worst era for Brazilian footballers - we really should consider looking elsewhere in the future.

What are you trying to say here?

Please be more specific.

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