Michael Tucker

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4 hours ago, Michael Tucker said:

I think you'll find that Jose went to United for two glaringly obvious reasons: 1) We sacked him. 2) Manchester United offered him a job. Did you seriously expect him to say 'no thanks, I couldnt do that to the Chelsea faithful"?

Of course the real number 1 is that he coverted the job for many years

 

Missed a lot of the game due to internet issues however within five minutes it was a repeats of JM's Real Madrid V Barcelona. Seems pretty obvious (to me) JM sent them out on a 'if you can't beat 'em , beat 'em ' ticket. However the ManU fans are adiment there wasn't a single foul by them during the whole game and the ref was bent :-)

 

 

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For me the issue is much less about José joining ManU and more about his attitude and utterances towards the club since becoming a red devil . Neither Lampard nor Cech has uttered any words to doubt their love for the club . 

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4 hours ago, Michael Tucker said:

I think you'll find that Jose went to United for two glaringly obvious reasons: 1) We sacked him. 2) Manchester United offered him a job. Did you seriously expect him to say 'no thanks, I couldnt do that to the Chelsea faithful"?

While you're right on both accounts, there was always going to be negative blow back. Just because Mourinho had success here as a manager doesn't translate to a free pass to join a main title rival. When Fabio Capello ditched a financially crippled Roma for Juventus, then proceeded to poach of their best player in Emerson, Roma fans wanted blood. AC Milan fans were quite hostile towards Allegri after he was sacked and later joined Juventus. Hell, it didn't please a large portion of Juventus fans initially either. 

A big part of maintaining a previous reputation is being respectful and maintaining that even when moving on. That's where Mourinho has let himself down a little since he joined Man Utd. He can't help but aim a few digs in here and there. All that's going to do is ruffle feathers and create discord with the fans, particularly now when we've got a manager that's passionate and has us doing extremely well. Mourinho may be our most successful manager, but eventually fans will overlook that if he's going to continue to act like he does and aim barbs at a club he's meant to have great respect for. Reap what you sow I suppose.

 

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40 minutes ago, MikelBlue said:

For me the issue is much less about José joining ManU and more about his attitude and utterances towards the club since becoming a red devil . Neither Lampard nor Cech has uttered any words to doubt their love for the club . 

JM has only one true love =JM

Everything he says and does is to further his own self. When he wins it's his 3 titles, when he loses it's their loss..

However he is clever and manipulative  enough to be able to ensure devotion of an almost religious zeal. I expect at every club he's managed to date there is a hardcore group who truly believe he only loves them and will return like the prodigal son to lead them to the promised land

 

Saying that he's done well at ManU to get them to resemble a decent team but last night was poor by anyones standards

Edited by r.bartlett

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JM wants a big rivalry with Chelsea mainly because he fears what Conte can do with this team. When we were getting hammered by Liverpool and Arsenal he made no silly comments to criticize the team. That would have been the perfect time to blast his mouth off about us. Instead he starts seeing us rise and play well then starts making little digs about us. He then brands us as a defensive team, which is very rich coming from him. 

This rivarly picked up when JM realised Chelsea are a threat probably around the time we smashed them 4-0. Before then he barely said anything about us. Its a tactic he uses when he fears an opponent. Did it time and again with Liverpool and Benitez. Also did it with Wenger but the wenger rivalry grew when he returned to Chelsea for the 2nd time as they were a stronger team than when he left. He never rivalled fergie as he knew that would be a silly thing to do considering Fergie influence in the PL. JM thrives on making rivalries and enemies. It gets him going he is too bored when everything is peaceful.

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Now we're being hauled over the coals for calling Jose Judas. Pretty sure if he was managing anyone other than Manure of the beloved Scum the media wouldn't have mentioned it as it was hardly widespread. Anything to deflect from his dirty tactics of attempting to spread the fouls around last night.

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1 hour ago, r.bartlett said:

Of course the real number 1 is that he coverted the job for many years

 

 

I disagree, the Chelsea managers job is the one he wants above all else. He kept banging on about it again and again when he was in Italy and Spain, there's nothing but paper talk to suggest he really wanted the job he has now. He mainly took the job as a "I will show them, damnit" gesture after being sacked a second time by CFC bruised his ego too much. He couldn't let it go. And ManUtd are not a great choice in terms of managerial posts anyway. They've reverted to their true form in being 'good, but not great' now that Fergie isn't in charge. They will be in the wilderness for years.

If Mourinho was properly advised, he would have went to PSG. Grab a league title or two, then move onto Bayern Munich. Viola, 6 titles in Europes 6 biggest football countries, almost guaranteed. Instead he went to Manchester. (Lol!) It was basically a "screw you" gesture, and it hasn't really gone well for him.

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Is Jose the only legend that has left Chelsea? But he surely is the only legend of recent memory to keep running his mouth taking obvious digs against the club. Yet CFC fans are expected to take it up the backside with smiling faces and remain classy. Where's Jose's class? Only folks who are blindly loyal to Jose or simply choose to be naïve for whatever reason will criticize CFC fans. If a person choses to repeatedly act in a silly manner that is unbecoming of a legend, they can sure expect responses from those who get fed up with it. He keeps waving his three fingers like we're supposed to be forever indebted to him regardless of how much of a jack arse he choses to be while conveniently forgetting that in between other managers actually won bigger glory and yet quietly rode into the sunset like Di Matteo (CL) and Ancelotti (League Title/ FA Cup double) ... feats that Jose never achieved at Chelsea. Is Jose our entire history? This guy couldn't wait to belittle the club, yet some chose to pull wool over their eyes. To each their own.

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I'm not going to besmirch the Mourinho legacy , he's the best manager we've ever had and I remain eternally grateful to him for everything he did to help catapult us towards greatness , however , I think tactically he let his side down last night , the kick , kick ,kick approach did them a great disservice , they're a much better side than that .

The United fans can moan all they like about the sending off but it was possibly the most brain dead tackle in the history of football.

A hard fought (literally) victory but well deserved.

Maybe next time we play them maybe they should concentrate on getting 14 shots on target and committing 1 foul . 

Apparently according to the media Mourinho needs to "get himself a Kante" , whilst I agree with the sentiment  , maybe he should try getting his £90m midfielder to run about a bit?

That turn from Hazard on the half way line though......no wonder they wanted to kick him out of the game.

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10 hours ago, Jasonb said:

To be fair I think JM had his tactics right considering his injuries, the better question IMO is whether he asked his players to put the boot in.

 

I agree, at the start of the game they asked us some questions it took us quite a while to get going as a result. Clearly they were instructed to get in Hazard and Costas faces. That was working reasonably well until the spin on the halfway line by Hazard and shot that was well saved. we then upped the tempo which drew the fouls and led to the sending off. I actually thought they had the better of us in midfield for the first part of the game which meant we couldnt settle.

They still posed a threat though all the time it was 1-0 such a shame we couldnt get that second goal. Still one was enough and thankfully no injuries before the Stoke game which will also be a test. our solidity and good attitude to every gae is the key to winning the league and perhaps the cup.

 

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