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3 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

What about the bit that says they can be considered part of the midfield ?

Isn't that a teensie bit relevant when someone is making a case against Conte for fielding a team of defenders.

3 - Centre halves

5- midfielders 

2- attackers.

 

 

If we were using Willian,  Hazard or Pedro in those positions then yes but we are not and they don't play like midfielders either. When we don't have the ball they very much become part of a back 5. I don't ever remember our wide players making a back 6 when we used to play a back 4.

If we wanted to play with 5 midfielders then surely we would ? We are quite clearly not. Alonso is not a left midfielder or winger, neither is Zappacosta or Azpilicueta.  Moses is another matter but he's been injured most of the season so pretty irrelevant. 

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8 minutes ago, Martin1905 said:

If we were using Willian,  Hazard or Pedro in those positions then yes but we are not and they don't play like midfielders either. When we don't have the ball they very much become part of a back 5. I don't ever remember our wide players making a back 6 when we used to play a back 4.

If we wanted to play with 5 midfielders then surely we would ? We are quite clearly not. Alonso is not a left midfielder or winger, neither is Zappacosta or Azpilicueta.  Moses is another matter but he's been injured most of the season so pretty irrelevant. 

If we were using Willian and Pedro in those positions then we would lose .

However , we're not going to agree on this , so lets part as friends and carry onwards and upwards.

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18 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

If we were using Willian and Pedro in those positions then we would lose .

However , we're not going to agree on this , so lets part as friends and carry onwards and upwards.

Agreed. With your second bit anyway. 

Carefree.

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1 hour ago, Mark Kelly said:

Just to clear something up , here's a handy definition .

Wing-back

The wing-back (or attacking full-back) are defenders with heavier emphasis on attack. The name is a portmanteau of "winger" and "full-back", indicating the greater emphasis on their responsibilities in attack.[30] They are usually employed as part of a 3–5–2 formation, and can therefore be considered part of the midfield when a team is attacking.[31] They may also be used in a 5–3–2 formation and therefore have a more defensive role.[32] The term "wing-back" itself is gradually falling out of use as there is less of a distinction with the full-back roles in the modern game, especially when used in a 4–3–3 or 4–2–3–1 formation.[30][33]

The wing-back role is one of the most physically demanding positions in modern football. Wing-backs are often more adventurous than traditional full-backs and are expected to provide width, especially in teams without wingers. A wing-back needs to be of exceptional stamina, be able to provide crosses upfield and then defend effectively against an opponent's attack down the flanks. A defensive midfielder is usually fielded to cover the advances of an opponent's wing-back.

This is nonsense.  Wing back is just a name you put on a formation, not on players.
3 CBs and wide defenders are wing backs.  2 CBs and they are called Full backs.  That is all.

Danny Alves is a FB.  So are Ashley Young, Valencia, Kyle Walker.  They play in a back 4.
Zappacosta is a WB.  The terminology doesn't help much.

 

Alonso, Azpi, Bakayoko, Cahill, Christensen, Drinkwater, Hazard, Kante, Morata, Zappacosta (any formation, even alphabetical) was the problem in the last game.

Alonso, Azpi, Bakayoko, Bats, Cahill, Christensen, Drinkwater, Fabregas,  Hazard, Kante, Kenedy, Morata, Moses, Musonda, Pedro, Rudiger, Willian, Zappacosta is the problem for this season.  

When City needed a goal on Sunday they took off Kompany to bring on Jesus to go 1-3-6 with 1 CB, 2 WBs and 6 outright attacking players.

 

25 minutes ago, jones said:

I am probably an even bigger fan of Fabregas than you. But even if he is magic, his defensive weaknesses can not be ignored. Unless you tend to look at things in a black or white perspective though. There are a couple in here who tend to do that ...

There are no defensive weaknesses.  Partly it is a whole misunderstanding of how CMs defend (long story for elsewhere, but they either disturb the man on the ball to slow down play, or they back right off to prevent him from running past ).  But mostly it is the Justify anything Conte does emotion.

The simple fact is that everytime we have not played a fit Fabregas has been a Conte mistake, and he has been a successful enough manager not to need excuses.

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4 hours ago, Martin1905 said:

 

He is a world class centre midfielder who's weaknesses are obvious but for some reason he gets criticised for them far more than others.  How much criticism does Kante get for not being able to pass the ball like Cesc or have his ability on the ball? He is what he is, and we should all be incredibly greatful for that but the stick he gets is insane.

Wonderfully put. 

On the ball, he is the best we have ever had IMO. His cameo on Saturday was ridiculous. Took zero time to get into the game, and picked a selection of wonderful passes, in particualr the one with his left foot to Willian..... sublime. 

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1 hour ago, lofski said:

hey gang, after some advice, going to early KO Newcastle match on Sat. Which pubs are gonna be open early, and where is good to go?

I use Lots Road pub near Chelsea harbour. Good range of beers and far enough away from the ground they let you have glass glasses -  a must for me! 

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36 minutes ago, Droy was my hero said:

This is nonsense.  Wing back is just a name you put on a formation, not on players.
3 CBs and wide defenders are wing backs.  2 CBs and they are called Full backs.  That is all.

Danny Alves is a FB.  So are Ashley Young, Valencia, Kyle Walker.  They play in a back 4.
Zappacosta is a WB.  The terminology doesn't help much.

Its actually a name the entire footballing community put on a player . Everything else is opinion.

 

When City needed a goal on Sunday they took off Kompany to bring on Jesus to go 1-3-6 with 1 CB, 2 WBs and 6 outright attacking players.

When Chelsea needed a goal on Saturday they took off Drinkwater and Bakayoko and played with Hazard , Morata , Willian , Pedro , Fabregas and Moses . 

 

 

 

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paulw66   
2 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

 

I agree with your sentiment,but Moses didn't come on. Pedro, Willian and Fabregas the subs. 

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2 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

Its actually a name the entire footballing community put on a player . Everything else is opinion.

Well yes.  They call Zappacosta a WB and Alves a FB.
Adds nothing to the conversation.

4 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

When Chelsea needed a goal on Saturday they took off Drinkwater and Bakayoko and played with Hazard , Morata , Willian , Pedro , Fabregas .. 

Quite right too.  We won that part of the match - even though trying to get a goal back when you are a goal down does give the opponent a big advantage.

Lets hope we carry on with that line up for the next half dozen PL games against weaker teams.

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