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Official: Callum Hudson-Odoi Signs New 5-Year Contract

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1 hour ago, blue moon said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52704448 Not looking at all good for CHO.

Surely his early release and no need to report till mid - june is good or  as good as anyone could expect.  As I understand it, Police bail does not necessarily mean they have evidence to charge.  And there is no way they close a rape allegation case within a month.
It is not clear whether he was released on Sunday or today.

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First time I've seen the word 'rape' mentioned, though - and that's enough for the gutter press to smear the club's support for victims of domestic violence. JT's gone, and they're after another scapegoat. Hope the lad can handle it.

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1 hour ago, The_Ghost said:

If she’s an escort going there to have “fun”, I can’t see how the rape allegation will fly. 

It doesn't really matter whether she's an 'escort', or not. A woman is entitled to change her mind and say 'no'. And if that's her decision (for whatever reason), then the male (any male) has to accept that decision. Obviously, I don't know that this is what happened, but if it is, then that's how the rape allegations will 'fly'.

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1 hour ago, Michael Tucker said:

It doesn't really matter whether she's an 'escort', or not. A woman is entitled to change her mind and say 'no'. And if that's her decision (for whatever reason), then the male (any male) has to accept that decision. Obviously, I don't know that this is what happened, but if it is, then that's how the rape allegations will 'fly'.

A sex worker going to a males apartment well-knowing who he is will have a hard time convincing the court she wasn't there to have sex. 

This smells like a stitch-up. 

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18 minutes ago, The_Ghost said:

A sex worker going to a males apartment well-knowing who he is will have a hard time convincing the court she wasn't there to have sex. 

I doubt that she'd be trying to. She might have better luck though convincing them that she'd changed her mind. Which is where I came in.

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This smells like a stitch-up. 

It may be. But since neither of us were there..........

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14 minutes ago, The_Ghost said:

A sex worker going to a males apartment well-knowing who he is will have a hard time convincing the court she wasn't there to have sex. 

This smells like a stitch-up

Especially when you consider how quickly details of a two way text conversation became public. 

There's an old joke about a cheque bouncing.  

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33 minutes ago, The_Ghost said:

A sex worker going to a males apartment well-knowing who he is will have a hard time convincing the court she wasn't there to have sex. 

This smells like a stitch-up. 

It is true that, even among pathetically low conviction rates in the general population, sex workers have historically found it near-impossible to get justice.

It's also the case that there's considerable, I'd say insurmountable, research and evidence that sex workers are disproportionately more likely to be the victims of sexual assault for that very reason.

Hudson-Odoi hasn't, to public knowledge, been charged with anything. He may never be. The de facto threshold for the CPS to bring rape charges is incredibly high so in a hypothetical near future in which charges are brought, the CPS would likely have more than he-says-she-says to play with.

Bit of a call back to an earlier post of mine, but in some ways that doesn't matter. As a supporter, I'm more concerned by a) whether or not he did it (of course, criminal proceedings or not the truth is none of us are ever likely to know with 100% certainty) and b) how on Earth the club are going to handle even just the allegation than I am whether or not the evidence is there to charge and convict. 

Still no club statement. No rush though, I suppose.

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13 minutes ago, Ham said:

Especially when you consider how quickly details of a two way text conversation became public. 

There's an old joke about a cheque bouncing.  

JT went through something similar with that bouncer early on in his career. 

You have to wonder whether the club helps the younger players to understand that they are targets. In any case, this can be real detrimental to his career and was a very, very stupid mistake. The mistake being to call over the woman in the first place. He should know better than to put himself in such a situation. 

 

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3 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

It is true that, even among pathetically low conviction rates in the general population, sex workers have historically found it near-impossible to get justice.

It's also the case that there's considerable, I'd say insurmountable, research and evidence that sex workers are disproportionately more likely to be the victims of sexual assault for that very reason.

Hudson-Odoi hasn't, to public knowledge, been charged with anything. He may never be. The de facto threshold for the CPS to bring rape charges is incredibly high so in a hypothetical near future in which charges are brought, the CPS would likely have more than he-says-she-says to play with.

Bit of a call back to an earlier post of mine, but in some ways that doesn't matter. As a supporter, I'm more concerned by a) whether or not he did it (of course, criminal proceedings or not the truth is none of us are ever likely to know with 100% certainty) and b) how on Earth the club are going to handle even just the allegation than I am whether or not the evidence is there to charge and convict. 

Still no club statement. No rush though, I suppose.

True. Don’t get me wrong, I expect extremely high standards of conduct from our players. I sincerely hope he hasn’t done anything that resembles the vague accusations in the media. If he has, I hope the book is thrown at him. Such behaviour is appalling and for me, a very, very serious offence that warrants a long prison sentence even for first time offenders. Violating another human on that level is vile and unacceptable.

Also, as you quite rightly point out, calling for rape when you have gone to a mans flat to have sex is almost impossible to prove. Unless there’s a Daily Mail reporter who has lurked outside the window with incriminating photos to present to the court. 

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