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BlueFizz   

I didn’t watch the game - was at a BBQ.

Those I know and trust who did watch (one Chelsea, one United) said the score flattered Utd. 

Rather annoyingly, Yesterday morning I told my Utd supporting mate that I could see us losing 4-0! Last time I predict a scoreline. No idea why I said it really.

TBH, hope we fly the veterans to Istanbul and focus on Leicester.

I see no reason to give up support for Frank, I also think we should be judged when Rudi, Willian and Kante are back. CHO and RLC should add something too.

As last year, our problem will be goals! Need to hothouse Tammy or play a way that gets Bats on the ball in the box.

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BlueFizz   
17 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

I still cannot fathom why our club is the only club who didn't ask for the ban to be deferred .

Possibly because we actually did break rules and know it, in which case any deferred ban might result in us getting 3-windows shut, not 2.

The converse may now happen: our compliance may result in CAS reducing it to 1 window and we can buy at Christmas.

just a thought.

Agree with the stuff you said about the result/performance in the rest of your post.

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2 hours ago, Michael Tucker said:

This. Perfect response to the negativity following our FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON (or, have I already mentioned that?........:)).  

Let's be fair, Michael. Plenty of us weren't feeling especially positive long before yesterday's game!

For me, yesterday added very little to my existing thoughts (and worries) about how this season will go. It didn't give me any new ideas, and one result certainly wouldn't vindicate any predictions made a month or two ago. Other than the immediate pain of getting a thrashing at Old Trafford, I don't even care much about the scoreline. It's the result and the manner in which we arrived at it rather than the margin that is a concern; much like the last few seasons, we are a brittle team which makes few chances during good spells and takes very little of them and can be trusted by a conservatively-set opposition to make game-changing mistakes. Like a few here (whose posts a few others seem indignantly determined to misunderstand and misrepresent) I am worried more for than by Lampard. 

I do personally find it hard to see how our season can progress in such a way that games and results like yesterday's won't be common. There's only so much a coach, any coach, can do with what is by far our weakest squad in not far off two decades. The hope I have is that we can be pragmatic and stay in touch with the other also-rans until the new year and then hopefully buy two or three first XI players. 

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Also , I love Jose , I really do but to single out Mount for criticism having previously said "why buy a centre half when you have Zouma ? " was the most single egg on face statement I can recall from him. Zouma's performance wasn't as much a car crash as a motorway closing multi car fireball car crash that can be seen from the surface of the moon . 

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9 hours ago, Michael Tucker said:

Frank Lampard felt his Chelsea side should have been ahead at half-time, and were later punished for not taking our chances by Manchester United’s efficiency in front of goal, combined with some defensive lapses of our own.

It was not the start to life as Chelsea manager Lampard had wished for as we lost 4-0 at Old Trafford. The final scoreline was a harsh one considering the opportunities we had, particularly in the first half when the game was on edge, and the boss acknowledged there were plenty of reasons to be positive. However, his overriding emotion was one of frustration following a chastening final half-hour in which we conceded three times.

‘We were clearly the better team for 45, maybe 60 minutes, but what was evident was we made individual errors that led to four goals out of their five shots,’ Lampard said. ‘There’s the harsh reality for us.

‘If we go in half-time 2-1 or 3-1 up, as we probably should have done, if we were more clinical ourselves and had maybe a stroke of luck here and there, the game would be completely different.

‘What I felt on the pitch and in the dressing room afterwards, and although the players are obviously disappointed, there were lots and lots of elements of the game I liked. There were four or five elements I really didn’t like and they proved fatal for us.

‘What the fans want to see, and why they were clapping and very respectful at the end, was because they saw a team trying to do the right thing. The game went against us very quickly when the second and third goals went in, and that was the harsh lesson for my young team today.’Lampard was asked to specify what aspects of our performance he was pleased with

‘It was the control of the game. We were intense in our pressure in the first half. For big spells they didn’t really get out against us. We won the ball back high in lots of areas, be it Mason or Pedro. I thought Jorginho and Kovacic dominated the midfield in the first half and switched the play as we wanted to switch it.

‘But football is won and lost in the boxes. They won in our box by being clinical. We had so many more shots and attacking entries than them, and that was where we let ourselves down by not putting them away.

‘It is quite hard to talk about it after a 4-0, you can sound stupid, but anyone who watched the game will have seen that. It gets overrided by the fact we gave them opportunities to score and they took them.’

Lampard brought Christian Pulisic on for his Chelsea debut in the second half, and he explained why the American didn’t start

‘Christian Pulisic is 20 years old. He will be a fantastic player for the club. He has got great ability. You saw little moments with his acceleration on the ball.

‘But I have also got other options in midfield and in those areas, and I don’t want to stick Christian straight into the fire without trying to help him along the way. It was one of those games where I felt it was better to start with Ross and Mason, who have been very strong in pre-season, and bring Christian on.

‘If the game had carried on at 1-0, or we were back in the game as we should have been, he would have been a great injection. In the end it was difficult for him because the game went quickly away from us.’

Lampard insisted we mustn’t let the outcome get us down and the focus now must be on learning from our errors

‘In terms of the squad we know we couldn’t bring players in this summer. I believe we have really talented young players. Let’s be clear: with the injuries we have at the moment, and not bringing in players, this is going to be a work in progress to a degree. We will have to learn harsh lessons and correct them pretty quickly.

‘We will bounce back from this. It should hurt. We certainly don’t want to lose anywhere 4-0, and it hurts, but this isn’t a 4-0 like any other. We certainly shouldn’t let it consume us to the point it has any effect on us going forward, other than analysing the mistakes and correcting them.’

Exactly how I see it. No way was that a 4-0 game. 

But we are inexperienced in the two boxes with Abraham and Zouma/Christensen. The lack of a real top striker would always be an issue, but we don’t have one so just have to get on with it. 

Rudiger can't come back quick enough. 

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Football is played on such fine margins. Chelsea we’re the better team in the first half, comfortably. How different would things be had Tammy’s shot hit the post and gone in? If Zouma hadn't give away that penalty, United would likely have struggled to score a second as we wouldn’t have had to be so open at the back. Obviously, it didn’t go our way and a 4-0 defeat is horrible. But, I do think we can kick on from this, I saw enough signs to suggest we’re much better than the result suggests and I do believe through the season we’ll get better and we’ll be fine.

If Rudiger and Kante we’re playing yesterday, we’d probably have won.

If Tammy scores that goal we’d probably have won and his confidence would be sky high going forward.

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Holymoly   
1 hour ago, Mark Kelly said:

I still cannot fathom why our club is the only club who didn't ask for the ban to be deferred .

Because we would have ultimately lost the appeal as it only considers whether the original ban was correctly applied, not whether it was deserved. Looking at the marketplace this summer there was a dearth of players available in the positions we were looking at. Maguire aside, and he was hell bent on going to United, what defenders of any worth ended up moving this summer? We needed a strker but who was available? No, better to bite the bullet and take the time to scout out the right players to aim for next summer. We've got the players to build the foundations, what we need are one or two diamonds to complete the squad. This season will be one of pulling together and playing for each other. Make the side greater than the sum of its parts. Fortunately the parts at our disposal should be capable of doing some great things.

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Holymoly   
40 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

Also , I love Jose , I really do but to single out Mount for criticism having previously said "why buy a centre half when you have Zouma ? " was the most single egg on face statement I can recall from him. Zouma's performance wasn't as much a car crash as a motorway closing multi car fireball car crash that can be seen from the surface of the moon . 

I think we've had enough of your prolonged character assassination of Kurt Zouma now. Maybe we should be trying to build the guy's confidence back up, especially as there is no real alternative in the short term.

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Holymoly   
26 minutes ago, My Blood Is Blue said:

Football is played on such fine margins. Chelsea we’re the better team in the first half, comfortably. How different would things be had Tammy’s shot hit the post and gone in? If Zouma hadn't give away that penalty, United would likely have struggled to score a second as we wouldn’t have had to be so open at the back. Obviously, it didn’t go our way and a 4-0 defeat is horrible. But, I do think we can kick on from this, I saw enough signs to suggest we’re much better than the result suggests and I do believe through the season we’ll get better and we’ll be fine.

If Rudiger and Kante we’re playing yesterday, we’d probably have won.

If Tammy scores that goal we’d probably have won and his confidence would be sky high going forward.

Totally agree with this.

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4 minutes ago, Holymoly said:

I think we've had enough of your prolonged character assassination of Kurt Zouma now. Maybe we should be trying to build the guy's confidence back up, especially as there is no real alternative in the short term.

I think you probably missed the bit where I said Frank should talk him up and build his confidence up and absolutely not stop him coming out for the second half during the match thread.

 

 

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