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paulw66   

Just to cheer everyone up

25% of WH's league wins this season have come against Chelsea

20% of their entire points gained has come from Chelsea

15% of Bournemouth's points came against Chelsea 

 

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kratos   
7 minutes ago, paulw66 said:

Just to cheer everyone up

25% of WH's league wins this season have come against Chelsea

20% of their entire points gained has come from Chelsea

15% of Bournemouth's points came against Chelsea 

 

Makes you wonder why we're despised so much.

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Blue Rod   
6 hours ago, Never happy said:

I said last night that fail to make the CL and Lampard will be out, I stand by that.

I was slaughtered by certain people (Jane, I get that he's a legend and you love him) but he seems to continully make silly mistakes.

Lamps seems to pick players to play 5 or 6 games on the trott regardless of form and then leave them out for a few.

before lock down Kante was out, jorgi was playing, (if I remember he was due a one match ban), but jorgi wasn't playing bad, yet he can't get a game, yet Barkley now seems to be the flavour of the month.

Giroud plays after the lockdown, (signs a new deal),scores and is then ditched again.

Zouma ( I'm not his biggest fan) played in the game against Leicester, and is ditched yesterday.Tommori who is arguely our best CH, can't get a look in, is this just to try to get Christensen to sign a new deal?

same as Willian, he wants a new deal, Lampard clearly loves him, so continuely picks him, even though he will be gone at the end of the season.

which brings us to Alonso, brilliant going forward but slow as old boots, in last nights game there was no reason James couldn't have come on and Azpi (who was crap by the way), could have slotted in behind Alonso in the second half.

As for James, he seemed to have made the RB slot his own before lockdown, yet again Lampard decided to ditch him after lockdown.

I dare say the usual suspects will slag me off for saying this, but Lampard needs to make some hard desisions now he has everyone fit, and find his best team and stick with it.

You make very important points. Don't worry about being slagged off. It's part of forum culture. 

I have not seen much improvement from Lampard as a manager from the start of the season. I said this a while ago. I am still to be convinced he is up to the job. However, it would be unfair to sack him after one season. He might just turn up a different manager in season two. 

The problem though is, everything we are doing right now - signings, spending, sponsorship, etc, is predicated on our playing Champions League next season. It would be terrible for everyone if we didn't qualify. The psychology of the situation is that the old players who are leaving, having not been given favourable contracts,  know that the ones replacing them are coming with a promise of CL games. The younger players are not exactly playing well enough to make the old boys redundant, and Lampard as a manager does not seem to be doing much more than substitute players into an imaginative tactics. I can see how the multiplicity of factors conspire, deliberately or not,  to get us to finish outside of CL qualification. 

One thing for sure; our improvement next season will come; 30% from new signings, 30% from existing players raising their games, and to make all this possible, 40% from the manager. If Lampard cannot produce that 40%, he would be and should be gone after two seasons. 

Actually he could be gone before next season. This is Chelsea FC.

Edited by Blue Rod

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Jasonb   

I still think we will finish fourth not sure how it will come about whether through us winning or someone else losing  unexpectedly yet have placed us correctly in 3 of the last 4 seasons.  So I remain confident.

 

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Had to leave it overnight as I was just so angry. Angry with Frank and livid with most players. It's hard to grasp what our defensive plan in this season when we have not once tried to sort out our issues with defending counters.

Did we hope Rudiger might be the same player as before THAT injury? Did we assume the rest of EPL would ignore Alonso being the slowest player ever to wear boots? Did we pray Christensen wasn't finished the night he soiled himself against Barca? 

Whatever we thought failed and is still a total mystery as nothing has been done to change anything beyond benching Emerson. Frank desperately needs help with his defensive planning and without a specialist coming in to help coach us defensively I don't really see how we go forwards. Frank doesn't even make the right noises so idk if he even knows what the issues are.

We can look great going forwards but in easy games we are always a second away from conceding. Worst Chelsea defence in over twenty years, easily.

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3 hours ago, paulw66 said:

Just to cheer everyone up

25% of WH's league wins this season have come against Chelsea

20% of their entire points gained has come from Chelsea

15% of Bournemouth's points came against Chelsea 

It's running joke of mine with the woman I sit next to at SB that we're a bleeding heart charity; if you desperately need points, come on in.

12 minutes ago, Blue Rod said:

I have not seen much improvement from Lampard as a manager from the start of the season. I said this a while ago. I am still to be convinced he is up to the job. However, it would be unfair to sack him after one season. He might just turn up a different manager in season two. 

I don't think this is an especially controversial opinion. I'm willing to put my hand up and say also that I've not seen anything that especially inspires or enthuses me in Lampard's management this season. He gives great interviews and "honest appraisals" (as the official website has christened them) but I couldn't care less, especially when they often say the same thing over and over again. I was very clear on here when he was appointed in saying I doubted he'd get the grace and free-hit lots of press and supporters were saying he would.

I suppose though the reality is I didn't expect to see that much in him this year, and it wouldn't have been fair on him as an individual or realistic given the wider context to expect much. There's a difference between being of the view that the club are likely to be as ruthless with him as they have been with everyone else, and wanting them to be.

Said it a few times; I think we're having the also-ran season many anticipated or said they'd cope with and the fact that several other teams are as or more weak has inflated our position above what you'd usually get for our points. On a points per game basis we're on for 63/64; that's never been enough for CL football, and most seasons in the last 15 gets you 6th or 7th and some distance behind the chasers. I know we started the year in a weak position, but I don't consider 63/64 to be an achievement with the squad, but about or even slightly below par. We've lost only 2 games fewer than the Mourinho meltdown year, and it's not a huge gamble to say we'll equal that.

The first quarter of next season is very important to Frank's career here imo.

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17 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

The first quarter of next season is very important to Frank's career here imo.

If I had my way, every manager should serve at least one season and a quarter. But wait, that is what Chelsea FC has been offering over the years. 

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53 minutes ago, Blue Rod said:

I have not seen much improvement from Lampard as a manager from the start of the season. I said this a while ago. I am still to be convinced he is up to the job. However, it would be unfair to sack him after one season. He might just turn up a different manager in season two. 

The question is not whether he is up to the job of leading this team of oldies, developing players, not good enoughs + Kante, Azpi and Pulisic .
The question is whether Frank is up to leading Werner, Kante, Pulisic, Ziyech, the pick of the crop coming through and a few more adds to challenge for the title next year and the year after.

And whether someone more likely becomes available.

23 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

The first quarter of next season is very important to Frank's career here imo.

I think the alternative options are more important.  

23 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

Said it a few times; I think we're having the also-ran season many anticipated or said they'd cope with and the fact that several other teams are as or more weak has inflated our position above what you'd usually get for our points. On a points per game basis we're on for 63/64; that's never been enough for CL football, and most seasons in the last 15 gets you 6th or 7th and some distance behind the chasers. I know we started the year in a weak position, but I don't consider 63/64 to be an achievement with the squad, but about or even slightly below par. We've lost only 2 games fewer than the Mourinho meltdown year, and it's not a huge gamble to say we'll equal that.

This year has been a success considering where we were last summer with the only money being spent on a 20 year old.  Though it is not clear to me if that success has been down to SFL or down to Abraham and Mount who have had a huge effect in the weakest areas from last year (8 & 9).

Marina has done a great job this summer (or is the only man or woman in football who still has a chequebook).  We ought to be the club every ambitious manager wants to join.  Get ready for our next JM or Conte or CA (or Scolari).

Lets start a rumour - Klopp or Guardiola to join Chelsea in August 2020.

Edited by Droy was my hero

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26 minutes ago, Droy was my hero said:

 

Lets start a rumour - Klopp or Guardiola to join Chelsea in August 2020.

You may not be too far away from the truth, the club is forward thinking and looking at the recent recruitment it would not be beyond the possibilities that the next coach/manger would come from bundesliga, however it will not be pepe or kloppe 

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Blue Rod   
38 minutes ago, Droy was my hero said:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
1 minute ago, Droy was my hero said:

The question is not whether he is up to the job of leading this team of oldies, developing players, not good enoughs + Kante, Azpi and Pulisic .
The question is whether Frank is up to leading Werner, Kante, Pulisic, Ziyech, the pick of the crop coming through and a few more adds to challenge for the title next year and the year after.

And whether someone more likely becomes available.

I think the alternative options are more important.  
This year has been a success considering where we were last summer with the only money being spent on a 20 year old.  Though it is not clear to me if that success has been down to SFL or down to Abraham and Mount who have had a huge effect in the weakest areas from last year (8 & 9).

Marina has done a great job this summer (or is the only man or woman in football who still has a chequebook).  We ought to be the club every ambitious manager wants to join.  Get ready for our next JM or Conte or CA (or Scolari).

Lets start a rumour - Klopp or Guardiola to join Chelsea in August 2020.

I can see us having Guardiola with a Chelsea-esque edge to his style. As for Klopp, I'm not so sure, I see him as a Mr Motivator; who can get you to run like crazy, making team look like they are playing 16 against 11. Conte got us to PL and FA trophies in a fraction of the time of Klopp and with less signings.

I do take your point though about where our early season brilliance may have come from. Because, as raw as Mount and Abraham were, they looked better when they played like youngsters strutting their stuff. And I would not be surprised if Jody Morris' input has declined with the young players' performances. Even CHO has gone from a promising youngster to a nobody. Pulisic's form was up and down until he decided to play by his own script. When you put all this into the mix, you wonder where Lampard's contribution is 

 

  

Edited by Blue Rod

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