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Bison   
On 31/07/2021 at 0:26 PM, Diddymen said:

No news on Livramento? Thought he would be the next to go from the youth team 

 

 

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Bison   

Rumors of a £25m buy-back clause as part of Livramento's transfer to Southampton. 

Have to respect the decision.

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Livramento, Peart-Harris, Bate, Guehi, Tomori and Simeu all leaving in the same window whilst Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Batshuayi, Barkley, Baba Rahman, Bakayoko, Miazga and Kenedy are all still under contract for at least a year longer. 2015-2018 is still haunting us.

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28 minutes ago, chiswickblue said:

Livramento, Peart-Harris, Bate, Guehi, Tomori and Simeu all leaving in the same window whilst Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Batshuayi, Barkley, Baba Rahman, Bakayoko, Miazga and Kenedy are all still under contract for at least a year longer.

 

Academy is having a really terrific time - look at the lads getting long term PL or top Serie A contracts.
That is 6 more, to add to the likes of Jack Cork, Ake, Bertrand, Solanke and not all that many more over the past decade.

For the first time in 40 years one can now say:  If your son wants to be a PL footballer, send him to Cobham, because that is the most likely place to make it.

Add to that, on a Profit/loss basis, we have cut right back on the most costly part of an Academy program - the long term contracts at 19/20 to players who we don't yet know will make it.  And instead we are banking profits at that level instead.

This is terrific news for the Academy.  Well done.

28 minutes ago, chiswickblue said:

Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Batshuayi, Barkley, Baba Rahman, Bakayoko, Miazga and Kenedy are all still under contract for at least a year longer.  2015-2018 is still haunting us.

Yeah.  A lot of that was the Serie A specialist from 2017/18.
Baba, Bats and Bakayoko can at least be put down to investment in big talents that went wrong.  Not every Hazard turns out to be Eden.

There was that funny period where we bought players just because they seemed cheap - like Djilosomebody, Hector and Kenedy.  Arguably Barkley.  Some moved on like Djilobodji for a profit, but it seems to have been an experiment that has ended.  Perhaps because of tighter loan rules.

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1 hour ago, chiswickblue said:

Livramento, Peart-Harris, Bate, Guehi, Tomori and Simeu all leaving in the same window whilst Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Batshuayi, Barkley, Baba Rahman, Bakayoko, Miazga and Kenedy are all still under contract for at least a year longer. 2015-2018 is still haunting us.

Absolute shame. We are selling players which will/might be worth 50m for literal peanuts. 

Some people might have been happy had we sold mount and RJ for 2m each at an age of 19/20 citing, "they have not made it yet". Livramento for one WILL definitely be one of those. No doubt we will be looking to trigger that buy back in a couple of years. 

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3 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Absolute shame. We are selling players which will/might be worth 50m for literal peanuts. 

Some people might have been happy had we sold mount and RJ for 2m each at an age of 19/20 citing, "they have not made it yet". Livramento for one WILL definitely be one of those. No doubt we will be looking to trigger that buy back in a couple of years. 

Livramento has only one year left on his contract and doesn't want to sign a new one.

With Reece James, Hudson-Odoi and occasionally Azpilicuetta ahead of him at RWB (and there were rumours we wanted Hakimi) I'm guessing he sees moving to another club as offering him a greater number of minutes on the pitch.

We have the option of selling him now and adding conditions to the sale, or letting him go for nothing next season with no buy-back clauses, sell-on clauses, etc.  Really not much else we can do.

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4 minutes ago, Bob Singleton said:

Livramento has only one year left on his contract and doesn't want to sign a new one.

With Reece James, Hudson-Odoi and occasionally Azpilicuetta ahead of him at RWB (and there were rumours we wanted Hakimi) I'm guessing he sees moving to another club as offering him a greater number of minutes on the pitch.

We have the option of selling him now and adding conditions to the sale, or letting him go for nothing next season with no buy-back clauses, sell-on clauses, etc.  Really not much else we can do.

I feel it's the club's responsibility to retain its best talents. Livramento and bate were the best talents by some miles. 

Plus it's not just livramento who has left. Literally a handful of promising players have left which shows the club needs to do more in assuring the youth players that there indeed is a path way to the senior team. 

I do agree, that once he did not want to sign an extension, there simply was not much the club could/can do. The problem is why don't they (and a lot of them) want to sign to one of the best clubs in the world. It's the club's responsibility to make sure this does not become a trend

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31 minutes ago, didierforever said:

I feel it's the club's responsibility to retain its best talents. Livramento and bate were the best talents by some miles. 

Plus it's not just livramento who has left. Literally a handful of promising players have left which shows the club needs to do more in assuring the youth players that there indeed is a path way to the senior team. 

I do agree, that once he did not want to sign an extension, there simply was not much the club could/can do. The problem is why don't they (and a lot of them) want to sign to one of the best clubs in the world. It's the club's responsibility to make sure this does not become a trend

Maybe we should return to a form of slavery, then, where clubs can keep players against their will?

Our 'problem' is that we are finally turning out so many good youngsters that in some cases their progression is being blocked by other youngsters (just a few years ahead of them) that came through the academy. We can't keep them all. Even if the player has been a boyhood fan of the club, they will put potential meaningful minutes on the pitch ahead of any "you're at the club you love, just bide your time on the bench" talk. For them, football is a career. They have to put their own personal interests first, ahead of the wishes of the fans!

I don't think many would argue that we probably pay our academy and 'break-through' players more than most clubs - certainly more than the bottom 10 Premiership and all the Championship clubs pay their youngsters. It says much of our own youngsters who would forgo a hefty contract (by the standards of many of our opponents) for minutes on the pitch elsewhere. It shows that the academy is working.

Furthermore, if we give young players great football coaching as well as a good academic base, which we do, and also don't play silly buggers with young players who feel they need to leave to progress, our academy will attract even more youngsters with great potential. Some we'll be able to keep because they'll have broken through to the first team, and others we'll get a fee for. Win-win for the club.

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chara   
10 minutes ago, Bob Singleton said:

Maybe we should return to a form of slavery, then, where clubs can keep players against their will?

Our 'problem' is that we are finally turning out so many good youngsters that in some cases their progression is being blocked by other youngsters (just a few years ahead of them) that came through the academy. We can't keep them all. Even if the player has been a boyhood fan of the club, they will put potential meaningful minutes on the pitch ahead of any "you're at the club you love, just bide your time on the bench" talk. For them, football is a career. They have to put their own personal interests first, ahead of the wishes of the fans!

I don't think many would argue that we probably pay our academy and 'break-through' players more than most clubs - certainly more than the bottom 10 Premiership and all the Championship clubs pay their youngsters. It says much of our own youngsters who would forgo a hefty contract (by the standards of many of our opponents) for minutes on the pitch elsewhere. It shows that the academy is working.

Furthermore, if we give young players great football coaching as well as a good academic base, which we do, and also don't play silly buggers with young players who feel they need to leave to progress, our academy will attract even more youngsters with great potential. Some we'll be able to keep because they'll have broken through to the first team, and others we'll get a fee for. Win-win for the club.

That Sir is an excellent post......Chelsea (or any club) cannot just stockpile young players because of a fear of losing a good'un.... the loan army as it is foolishly called is another way of assessing young players...(and a moving of less than stellar purchases)...many just drop off the radar and the cream ..or potential cream take a step up..Mount/James as easy examples.

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