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  1. Chelsea 2 West Bromwich Albion 5

    Makes my point even more. One team did collapse and it didn't really help us, because another 4 or 5 didn't. Getting into a bun fight in the first place with so many teams we should be well clear of was the screw-up.
  2. Chelsea 2 West Bromwich Albion 5

    This is the thing, though. What you are calling "resting" may be not be resting (that is, saving players for other games) at all. It may well be that those players were not in a state to start or play an hour. And what you or I think about that is irrelevant compared to what the coaching staff know. What would be taking West Brom less seriously; changes to a more usual XI, or playing the usual XI even if out of puff? I was fuming when Mount started for England vs Poland in mid-week. I doubt the best remedy for that would have been starting him in our next game, whoever it was against. Maybe they could have all played and Tuchel has messed up here. Personally seems the less likely of the possible explanations to me.
  3. Chelsea 2 West Bromwich Albion 5

    This seems a confused and confusing position to me. You aren't "buying" that a top 4 finish will be difficult, but also we have "far too many" players who aren't consistent. Are we so good that we should should finishing top 4, or not consistent enough to do it? Make a choice. The Chelsea I saw in December wasn't one I had any faith was going to win enough points over the remaining 20-odd games to beat off all of Utd, Leicester, Everton, Spurs and West Ham. Two of them we're now far enough behind that I'd be surprised if anyone here expects us to overhaul them, but in fairness one of their number's has been made up by Liverpool collapsing. If at that time you saw differently (us significantly improving, none of the others doing the same, most of them deteriorating) then fine, but feel free to say so. The idea I've "brushed off" this defeat is yours, not mine. This is damaging. I just think the far more significant damage was done a long while ago. We perform at even just par in the first 4 months of the season and an embarrassing defeat immediately after an international break can be tolerated in the scheme of things. The exact reason it cannot be tolerated is that earlier results have left us in a weak, vulnerable position.
  4. Chelsea 2 West Bromwich Albion 5

    Surely it's because Rudiger, Christensen, Mount, Havertz and Giroud have all just been playing with their national teams? The idea they were left out as a result of hubris rather than sheer physical necessity is a bit of a leap imo.
  5. Chelsea 2 West Bromwich Albion 5

    I don't disagree, but then I said he had the sort of game that gets other keeper's crucified, not that he was at fault for all the goals.
  6. Chelsea 2 West Bromwich Albion 5

    Top 4 was always going to be very, very difficult. I'm on record as thinking it was gone in December. I think Tuchel has done brilliantly to get us in a position where we look like at least making a fist of it. That we might duke it out until those last 4 games is a minor miracle. A real humbling today. Made two or three stupid but in isolation forgivable errors, but crumbled from them up against a side with little to lose and who saw and threw everything at their moment. Credit to West Brom. I think I'd be much angrier at the ref, who really was very poor, if he hadn't managed to have (even with his multiple errors) a better day at the office than about 5 of our players. Jorginho is the obvious person to point the finger at in that he made errors directly leading to bookings that swung the game, but Zouma really was very poor throughout and Mendy had the sort of game that gets other keepers crucified.
  7. Chelsea 2 West Bromwich Albion 5

    Was it an option to decline the Manager of the Month award? Hate to pile on to anyone, but Zouma has been awful. Had a real hand in all three goals without doing anything outwardly comical. Understand why a new manager gives everyone chances but the might just need to come to a stop with certain positions.
  8. Chelsea 2 West Bromwich Albion 5

    Yes, I can imagine not bothering to try and win the ball would have gone without comment on CFCnet. He has no choice but to try and win the ball, and messes up in the process. Odd that when Jorginho is responsible for putting Silva in that position, the fault lies with Jorginho, but that when someone else puts Jorginho in that position, it is still Jorginho's fault. The bloke's having a shocker without having to make stuff up. No one's disagreeing he's been sh*te.
  9. Chelsea 2 West Bromwich Albion 5

    Been said elsewhere, but that was completely and utterly Reece James's doing. The two hospital passes, I'll give you. The fact he made them is exactly why there's no need to pretend the header was his fault. Zouma and Mendy both infuriating for the first, Zouma not much cop for the second either. Why is he back in the team? No real issues with him but we'd looked much better with him out. A long second half coming up. If Mount can play, he has to come out for it. Not even for a result, but just to not fall apart.
  10. Chelsea Women

    Completely forgot this was a day time kick off so haven't seen any of it but that is an incredible result.
  11. Chelsea Players and International Duty

    ... Granit Xhaka, though. And I rate Jorginho!
  12. Chelsea Players and International Duty

    Roy Keane loves him! Always singing his praises. It's a little odd seeing him break character for Mason whenever he's covering us or England.
  13. Chelsea Players and International Duty

    Broja starting for Albania against England. Maybe I'll bother watching.
  14. Media / Press

    Sure it'll come as no surprise to anyone here that I'm no big fan of knighthoods, for people I respect or otherwise. Do any former Chelsea players have knighthoods? I might make an exception for Demba Ba.
  15. Media / Press

    Certainly whether or not poor children should be allowed by the state to go hungry is a difficult issue for culture war bellends to frame as creeping Marxism, but I think it's not quite right or fair to suggest Rashford identified and "picked" it as a "safe" topic. He's lived it. It picked him. And the usual suspects still attempted to character assassinate him over it. I could do with him having a much lesser goalscoring record against us, but have a lot of time for him.
  16. Media / Press

    Completely this. I'd expect (assuming, and in fairness perhaps incorrectly, that he has never and is not struggling with gender) the rumour would hardly bother Rodriguez. It's the people in the general population rumours like this are harmful to. Must hurt to have such a struggle reduced to something jokes or accusations are made about. Side note, I must be very out of touch ... This is the only place I've seen the rumour! I also expect there are plenty of gay footballers, and that for some it won't be the potential (likely?) abuse that puts them off letting it be widely known, but becoming a cause celebre and public property. You'd just hope that those in their immediate club circles are supportive of them and my guess is that they often are.
  17. Chelsea 2 Sheffield United 0

    Diplomatic of you, but I think DF is having a different argument. It is fair enough to say none of us really know what will be for the best. What is easier, I think, is knowing what isn't best for any footballer; not playing. My opinion extends as far as Billy needs to be playing regular football to become all he can be. I personally can't see it happening here any time soon, so I'm pro-loan. But yes, opinions made clear on that and I'll bow out. It's the idea Harry Kane is evidence against loaning that might reel me back in ...
  18. Chelsea 2 Sheffield United 0

    What I took was "what the hell is trust integration?". I already struggle with xG. What this while discussion lacks, imo, is anyone saying Gilmour should be getting picked over Kante, Jorginho and/or Kovacic ... At least one of who themselves doesn't get picked each game. If anyone thinks that ... Well, good luck to them, it's a not an opinion I think you could back up with anything beyond "that's just my opinion", but at least it is an opinion. Because if you don't think Gilmour should be getting picked over at least one of them, but also don't think he should go on loan ... Then I'm not sure what it is you want for him. And, tbf, it is odd to name Lionel Messi, Jamie Vardy and Harry bloody Kane to argue against loans ... And especially to do it to argue, with absolutely no one but yourself, against loans being somehow compulsory.
  19. Chelsea 2 Sheffield United 0

    Literally no one thinks it is "NECESSARY", as some kind of infallible natural law of football, for young players to go on loan before playing senior football. What I'd imagine most would agree on is that young players of any starting ability need to play regular senior football to develop further. I also think everybody would accept sometimes young players are better than the senior players available to pick. That is true of Messi, but also Saka, Alexander-Arnold, Rice, Rashford and Smith-Rowe. It isn't true of Gilmour. That's not a bad thing. It's better our senior players aren't so crap that the kids are a better bet, and a kid ready immediately to play senior football is so exceedingly rare that not being immediately ready would be an obscenely harsh criticism.
  20. Chelsea 2 Sheffield United 0

    Up there with the most ridiculous distortions of reality to justify an existing position I have ever read. Messi had an ability that absolutely demanded he played from a very young age (I expect he'd have been picked on talent even earlier if the growth hormones had kicked in earlier). Any manager at any club in the world would have picked him. Really weird that you'd compare other players to Messi ... To somehow defend them?! We have never had a player like Messi in our academy. No one has. Except the one that did.
  21. Chelsea Women

    Excellent result, looked like we might get a pummelling in the first half but Berger was fantastic. We seem to give away penalties very, very easily, especially in Europe. Would be fantastic to get past Wolfsburg in the second leg, would really send a message.
  22. Media / Press

    Curious, anyone know what the book actually says?
  23. Season expectations/predictions/peculiarities 2020/21

    Guess it depends on what we say a number 9 is, but if we're going just with leading strikers ... Then basically all of them in the last 25 years? And maybe longer, just going back as far as I remember. Shearer, Owen and Rooney weren't the most popular figures. Crouch did funny dancing, tbf.
  24. Chelsea 2 Sheffield United 0

    Who would I bring back from loan? Why would I need to bring anyone back? Would Gilmour's 34 Premier League 2020/21 minutes need replacing? I think we'd manage his cup appearances elsewhere in the senior squad easily enough. And if we couldn't, then I'd rather our 4th choice was someone who was never going to be more than that rather than someone we stunted into never being more than that. So who does what he does, but better right now? The three players I named. Who are here, getting picked, either as 1st or 2nd choice, for anything that really matters every game.
  25. Chelsea 2 Sheffield United 0

    Jorginho, Kante and Kovacic (not that I'm the biggest fan of his) are in excellent form. Gilmour played well enough but was absolutely nowhere near the standard of those three players over the last few months. He's not close to dislodging any of them.