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paulw66   
15 hours ago, Mark Kelly said:

 

The AK47 thing was in memory of his dad who was murdered I think to highlight the danger of guns. 

 

That's probably what I would say if I was him too. 

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44 minutes ago, synavm said:

 

I can only see a Daily Mail article where lip readers quote what they find the other three said, not the accused. Do you have a link?

Charges not being brought really just means 'insufficient evidence', that isn't irrefutable proof that he didn't racially abuse Sterling. 

The story guest broke in The Sun but I can't find the article.  I found this rehash in another article.

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Mr Wing final night time apologised to Sterling, telling the Every day Mail he had misplaced his job and season ticket to the membership.

He stated: “I’m deeply ashamed by my own behaviour and I feel really bad. But I didn’t call him a black c***, I called him a Manc c***.”

His claims have been right now backed by unbiased lip-readers who informed The Solar On-line Mr Wing didn’t shout something racist to England star Sterling on Saturday.

 

The specialists, each of who have expertise working with the police, stated they believed Mr Wing had shouted “Manc c***” to the Man City ace and never “black c***”.

WHAT DID HE SAY? Chelsea fan maintains he yelled ‘Manc’ not ‘black’ – and is BACKED by lipreading specialists

THE clip brought about nationwide outrage after it appeared a Chelsea fan screaming “f***ing black c***” at Raheem Sterling.

However Colin Wing, 60, has maintained he yelled “Manc” not “black” through the heated Saturday recreation between Chelsea and Manchester City.

The Solar On-line at present drafted in two totally different specialists to look at the tape and provides their opinion on what was being stated.

 

Each supported his declare that he yelled “Manc” and never “black” within the heated string of abuse throughout 

Forensic speechreading firm 121 Captions have labored with the Metropolitan Police, Crown Prosecution Service and The Nationwide Crime Company.

After watching the footage, one among their specialists stated Colin shouted “you f***ing Manc c***, f*** you, you d***head” at Sterling.

One other, Terry Ruane, who has helped police investigations by analyzing CCTV footage for clues, watched the clip at the very least 20 occasions.

He informed The Solar On-line: “The one solution to distinguish between ‘black’ and ‘Manc’ is in case you see the tongue motion in ‘black’.

I’ve reviewed this at the least 20 occasions and I simply can’t catch the tongue which might show he undoubtedly did say ‘black’.”

“My feeling is he did certainly say ‘f***ing Manc c***’ – nevertheless ‘Manc’ is claimed in such an offensive approach that makes it virtually appear to be ‘w***’.

 

“Moreover, I don’t assume anyone who isn’t an skilled lip-reader would assume there was a similarity between ‘black’ and ‘Manc’.

“So it’s fairly attainable that he did genuinely say ‘Manc’.”

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1 hour ago, Stim said:

Also the whole innocent until proven guilty and not the other way round. That's surely not just an american ideal.

Sorry, which is not an American ideal? I wasn’t aware that the US has any ideals at all, except for the pursuit of ruthless self-interest? And today's Britain is certainly at at one with them on that at least.

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I can't pretend that we don't have an '' element'' whose outlook is closer to 1981 than 2019 but this whole incident and moreover the reporting of it in the media was tailored to suit the medias agenda. The incredibly suspiscious incident in a pub in the Czech republic was also given the treatment. The whole idea of them implying that something has '' Racist'' motives tars our club and support with a brush which makes an impression on those with a bias and also the general public.  So does the decision from the media to totally underplay the flare/smokebomb thrown by Liverpool fans into the away end at Anfield the other week. Some didn't report it at all, some did but one paragraph buried in a longer article. And some like the BBC waited a while, wrote one small article which dissapeared very quickly. No rolling news, no feature article, no contacting Garth Crooks or whoever to let them rant about how bad things are etc. Same thing with the Tottenham banana skin, very understated.

 

Every season a big play is made regarding equality and homophobia etc and yet the media is happy to listen every week to Chelsea rent boys being sung. I'm guessing Brighton whould say similar. I don't think they are serious about it at all, it's just another box for them to tick half heartedly.

But to the clubs credit they are attempting to do the right thing in acting quickly and firmly when something happens so that the media can't at least criticise their dealing with it. Football isn't a place where you can go to unwind and shout or sing a few close to the knuckle songs anymore. Even in humour,  In the case of racist stuff, good long overdue but lets not pretend it will ever totally dissapear or that the FA or media really intend to address it impartially.

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Stim   
21 minutes ago, PeteRobbo said:

Sorry, which is not an American ideal? I wasn’t aware that the US has any ideals at all, except for the pursuit of ruthless self-interest? And today's Britain is certainly at at one with them on that at least.

Could be worse :)

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7 minutes ago, Stim said:

Could be worse :)

Really? Well yeh, the horror is that not only it could be worse, it could well become so!

Happy days Stim!

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paulw66   
15 minutes ago, fillerywhereru said:

I can't pretend that we don't have an '' element'' whose outlook is closer to 1981 than 2019 but this whole incident and moreover the reporting of it in the media was tailored to suit the medias agenda. The incredibly suspiscious incident in a pub in the Czech republic was also given the treatment. The whole idea of them implying that something has '' Racist'' motives tars our club and support with a brush which makes an impression on those with a bias and also the general public.  So does the decision from the media to totally underplay the flare/smokebomb thrown by Liverpool fans into the away end at Anfield the other week. Some didn't report it at all, some did but one paragraph buried in a longer article. And some like the BBC waited a while, wrote one small article which dissapeared very quickly. No rolling news, no feature article, no contacting Garth Crooks or whoever to let them rant about how bad things are etc. Same thing with the Tottenham banana skin, very understated.

 

Every season a big play is made regarding equality and homophobia etc and yet the media is happy to listen every week to Chelsea rent boys being sung. I'm guessing Brighton whould say similar. I don't think they are serious about it at all, it's just another box for them to tick half heartedly.

But to the clubs credit they are attempting to do the right thing in acting quickly and firmly when something happens so that the media can't at least criticise their dealing with it. Football isn't a place where you can go to unwind and shout or sing a few close to the knuckle songs anymore. Even in humour,  In the case of racist stuff, good long overdue but lets not pretend it will ever totally dissapear or that the FA or media really intend to address it impartially.

Good post.

I have been going to SB regualry since 1991 and I can honestly say I have very few and far between heard anything that I would call shocking (if at all). The odd p(ssed idiot shouting stuff at foreign away fans, yes, but never anything like the N word or monkey noises or anything of that sort (the sort of stuff you see in Europe all the time)

I have reported the Chelsea Rent Boy chant to Kick it Out on 3 occasions. I haven't had a single reply. It's ok to be abusive if it's aimed at Chelsea.

I feel genuinely sorry for the guy who got caught up in the Sterling thing. Hung, drawn and quartered with no trial, judge or jury. If calling a player a fool was a banable offence, most of the PL grounds would be very empty. 

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21 minutes ago, paulw66 said:

Good post.

I have been going to SB regualry since 1991 and I can honestly say I have very few and far between heard anything that I would call shocking (if at all). The odd p(ssed idiot shouting stuff at foreign away fans, yes, but never anything like the N word or monkey noises or anything of that sort (the sort of stuff you see in Europe all the time)

I have reported the Chelsea Rent Boy chant to Kick it Out on 3 occasions. I haven't had a single reply. It's ok to be abusive if it's aimed at Chelsea.

I feel genuinely sorry for the guy who got caught up in the Sterling thing. Hung, drawn and quartered with no trial, judge or jury. If calling a player a fool was a banable offence, most of the PL grounds would be very empty. 

Soemone wrote into football365 a week or so ago and asked " What is the point of Chelsea"  , I was tempted to reply that we were the whipping boys of the media , accused of everything but rarely guilty of it so that they could ignore everyone else's "crimes" (like City and FFP) and concentrate on running us down every day . The black hatted cowboy made real.

In football 365 which prides itself on its "inclusive" nature and features some of the most virtue signalling writers you can possibly imagine they routinely allow supporters of other clubs to refer to us as Chavs and seemingly don't bat an eye.

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1 hour ago, PeteRobbo said:

Sorry, which is not an American ideal? I wasn’t aware that the US has any ideals at all, except for the pursuit of ruthless self-interest? And today's Britain is certainly at at one with them on that at least.

Quite - use of the court room to achieve goals without getting to a verdict is the American way.

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45 minutes ago, paulw66 said:

 

I feel genuinely sorry for the guy who got caught up in the Sterling thing. Hung, drawn and quartered with no trial, judge or jury. If calling a player a fool was a banable offence, most of the PL grounds would be very empty. 

I guess with the Kick it Out they are predominantly aimed at Racist issues to be fair. With the fan in the Sterling incident, he was named, shamed and lost his job, is that really fair? Even supposing it was true and he did shout black C ? It's unpleasant, not the sort of bloke I would knock about with but do I wish him to have the anguish of worry about money, having to move perhaps, sell a car, lose his wife perhaps? He doesnt even get to watch his beloved team as his season ticket got taken away. All because of one spur of the moment bit of stupidness?

 

The context of it was never mentioned either, Sterling had just wiped out David Luiz. Doesn't matter to the people in the media though all earning big wages, making judgements on others regardless of context and effect...

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